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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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will stir host and this is a place where

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one can go to escape the Daily News and

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we are talking about what I consider

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anyway help you do two fascinating topic

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or topics our guest in the first segment

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which is going to be about 25 minutes

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long is a friend and filmmaker

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UFO researcher dean ally otto and he

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will be discussing his new remastered

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30th anniversary release of the igniting

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alien abduction film the mcpherson tape

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it's also known as the UFO abduction

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it's quite a story if you haven't heard

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that before then his whole story behind

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the scenes on what happened with this

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film it is really really amazing it's

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it's really a fun story and he was only

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24 years old when he made this film and

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it's the first found footage movie ever

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it was 10 years before the Blair Witch

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Project

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so and I happened to get a peek at it

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the other night

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and it was quite amazing I couldn't

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believe he was only 24 years old and

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thought all that up it was fantastic

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actually so I want to thank everyone

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that helps out with the show and for

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someone that's looking to support us I

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know there's a lot of people that do and

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I want to thank you for that there is a

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patreon link on our website which is

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podcast UFO calm the show is actually my

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only job now and I might be

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contemplating doing something else in

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addition I may talk about that a little

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bit later on so while you're over at our

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website you want to check out this

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week's blog that's by charles lear and

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it's called the socorro UFO

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investigation charles of the blogger is

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actually staying out in new mexico he's

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only about 20 miles away from where the

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Socorro incident actually occurred back

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in I think was 66

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I may get the year wrong I don't know

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but anyway he's right out there so that

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kind of inspired him it's a very good

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information on blog a lot of a lot of

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really good facts check that out also

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check us out on Facebook that's

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basically facebook.com slash podcast UFO

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Peggy who's helped us out for many many

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years is still helping us out almost

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every day sometimes I do the weekends

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for you know the latest in UFO news

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there's about 20,000 people or so or

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more actually on that so interact with

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them over there it's a lot of fun and

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there's always some really good UFO

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stories on that and space news as well

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and I want to thank Peggy for doing that

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that's actually enough banter for me and

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welcome to the show Jean glad to be here

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I do have to say at the beginning here

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I'm sorry my schedule I'm not gonna be

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here for the whole whole show I can only

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do half so I know I just need to let you

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know that up front I'm really sorry that

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happened yeah I don't know what did you

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really only booked me for half a show do

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you really feel that that's the extent

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of what I have to offer

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that's probably being generous actually

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halfway into the show I am gonna change

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my name to Xillia and then I'll have the

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full hour yeah you've got a lot of work

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to do during the break then so anyway

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Dean it's always fun you and I have

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quite a bit of fun you know talking you

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know on the phone and in texting back

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and forth a lot of really funny stuff

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and recently you put out this this video

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of Abba ABBA SOS it's on my website

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podcast UFO calm you got to check it out

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it is a riot you lip sync with your

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girlfriend Ali and it you really did a

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great job at first time saying who is

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those two other people with you but your

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editing was was great and it's a it's a

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blast if you want to put a smile on your

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face check that out again it's on our

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website podcast UFO calm down a couple

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of posts called SOS of you doing

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ABBA awesome yeah we should talk about

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that and forget about talking about the

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other movie that's right um just talk

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about them making them of this it was

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funny cuz I'm editing my first UFO

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documentary and you know I've done

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documentaries for discovery and II and

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everything that are historical or crime

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based documentaries and this is the

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first one and and so there are so many

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things that that I'm trying to do in

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this space so I'm not derivative and I'm

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just grinding it right now because I can

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because I'm home and I can't go anywhere

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right now again and so Ali who's also

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working at a home now has her own desk

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set up and everything she said enough

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you need to go outside and chill so I go

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outside night she'll I just take a nap

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on the deck so I gotta close my eyes I

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put my headset on and let's start

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listening to music and I hear a possess

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Celeste and she's outside she decides to

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come outside and join me and she sees me

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sleeping with my foot twitching and she

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goes what's going your foot and I said

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oh I'm just going to this be here and I

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said I need you to stop working for an

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hour we're gonna go shoot this music

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video so we went in and then it took me

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two days to edit the thing because I

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have some special effects things going

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on but yeah that's me resting yeah yeah

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well that's good everyone needs to do

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something like that you know

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distractions are great and and that was

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a blast I loved it yeah I hope you do

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actually I hope you do more of those so

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let's talk about the McPherson tape it's

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kind of funny when you sent that to me I

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thought you were sending me the you know

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the studio version of what they did

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after the film and I had no idea you

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were sending me the original film which

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is really funny because I started to

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critique just a little bit here you know

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just something really really minor and I

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said you know for a studio version I you

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know or whatever you said no no that's

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original and this can you tell the story

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of how this came about you had a you had

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quite the budget to begin with but it's

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the first found footage film really is

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pretty impressive

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so go ahead it is a classic case of a

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necessity over over-budget

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all of my idols in film school and

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growing up had all made their first film

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by the age of 25 and so here I was on

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the precipice of turning that quarter

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century in from America and had to make

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my first film and like that was going to

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get me in some club or something and so

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I had a buddy of mine who was a high

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school schoolmate who want to be a

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producer and you want to be a producer

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to the tune of sixty-five hundred bucks

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and so I laughed and said yeah I don't

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think I could do with that as make a

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home video and and this is 1988 actually

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and so um I went ahead and and you know

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moved on and thought I gotta come up

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with something else how am I gonna raise

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money blah blah and then I started weed

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Whitley streamer's book community and

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then I lived in San Francisco at the

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time we're soaring from it I was flying

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to LA to do a pitch and as I was leaving

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the Sun was setting beautiful dusk was

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past dusk the Sun was now piyah being

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from the earth and um and so uh

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wait is that a flat earth probably you

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know from this week we hide from it and

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so anyway I look out the window and I'm

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thinking cut what if this is the last

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time that I was looking at at Earth and

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I was being abducted and then by the

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time I touched down I called him and I

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said we're gonna make a movie with you

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know with that with that budget so um I

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got back and and thought you know I

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really want to experience this I want

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experience being abducted without

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actually being abducted how would I how

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would I do that and and so the conceit

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was a home video and to do it like this

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is happening real and so I hired

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improvisational actors you know shatter

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all outside San Francisco and I had a 20

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B list of all the things that I want to

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cover we rehearsed it for a couple weeks

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and um and then went out and shot it and

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one night you did that one night

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unbelievable and you know I got to tell

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you the family is so natural I mean they

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were improvisational actors they did it

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well they were acting just like your

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typical normal dysfunctional family I

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mean he yeah and even the little girl

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was great too I mean everyone did such a

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convincing job it really does feel like

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a natural natural situation so so where

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did it what happened after the after the

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film was done what did were to go and

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what happened so it was funny I showed

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it to one of the actors parents she was

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a his mother was a casting director and

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on on the project and so she watched it

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and I had done something which was I

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wanted to have overlapping dialogue

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because that was gonna be natural and

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that's how people would talk and Robert

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everything else and she criticized the

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hell out of it for that so that was what

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I heard in my ears we went out to sell

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this and do a road trip that executive

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producer myself to Los Angeles so he

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went and we met with all these people

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and they just thought we were that [\h__\h]

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they they could not believe that we were

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wasting their time showing them this

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teaser of the home video and you know we

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were literally at the time 10 years

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ahead of Blair Witch so there was no

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reference for it so I get it but I

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remember having one woman said get the

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hell out of my office don't come back

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here and so we have a real movie and so

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that was it and I had our last meeting

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after that and drove back and going well

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you know we gave it a shot

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time to move on and then we get a call

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from the last person we met with who

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said I'll take it so we won the lottery

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we're all excited and you know first of

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all I'm getting distributed everything

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haven't turned 25 made it hit my goal

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etc and then I call and I check with him

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after sending him all the stuff signed

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the deal about a month later two months

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later I said hey how's it going how many

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pre-orders do we have and he said oh

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it's gone it's you know it's burnt and I

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said what do you mean it's burnt

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he said it's it's burnt up as in it's

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gone fire everything I so I explained it

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to

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lost my main master all my artwork

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I'm not saying the guy said his own

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warehouse on fire fire insurance reasons

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but wouldn't be the first time so anyway

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that's that's where I thought it ended

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so that was one of like nine lives that

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this thing had I'm gonna open a drink

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because I forgot to open beforehand

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something about there's this isn't an

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alcoholic drink but it's gonna sound

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like that yeah oh yeah yeah mm-hmm it's

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a sparkling water Lou they're my sponsor

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great flavor

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I saw you put that cover on that can but

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anyway so it was gone but now what

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happens after time goes by so what

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happens is nothing five years go by and

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I'm now doing crime random reenactments

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unlike the Stephen Jay candle series and

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everything and and I get a call from

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some guys name is Sean David Morton and

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Sean says hey your name has come up

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we're trying to find who's got the

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rights of this this footage it was found

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and though he wasn't explicitly calling

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it found footage that was the first time

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I had heard found footage and I said

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well you know tell me about this and he

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says well it says family gets abducted

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and he's describing my film and I said

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yeah that wasn't found that's you know

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you know we made that and he said this

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isn't real I can't I laughed and I said

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no do it it's not real it's my first

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filming you know he said okay do you

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know what's been going on for the past

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five years and that's when I said dude

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who the F are you and he says all right

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I just came from the International UFO

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Congress convention this is 90 to 93

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he said apparently he says I think what

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happened was some mom-and-pop video

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stores got some advanced screeners of

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your film and someone much more

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nefarious than I edited out the credits

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and injected into the UFO community so

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it ends up at the International UFO

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congress where ufologist tom dango and

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lieutenant colonel retired

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tena colonel Don where claim that it's

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authentic and so unsolved mysteries now

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I want squats it once it a hard copy and

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this Fox joke called encounters they

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want in on it and I stated Sean I go

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well it looks like we're down to two now

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because you know installed mysteries I

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think was what do you mean I said well

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it's not called solve mysteries we can

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get around that I go not only can't so I

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would go on Fox and I go ahead and and

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they release it as this you know big UFO

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world's gross UFO hoax stuff and I put

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me on there and so I figured I had my 15

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minutes of fame with it and it was

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really fun and so I thought well that's

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it you know time to move on which I did

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and so that would be life number two or

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three and and so but I think some of the

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funniest stories you have told me is

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that people were so convinced this was

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real found footage I mean they were

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totally they totally bought into it and

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they would actually argue with you is

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that right yeah I would have ufologists

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call me from now this is before the

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internet really you know had had a

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chance to take hold

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from from Brazil and from Japan I think

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I know who some of these people were I

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didn't know that at the time but they

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would call and they would say I need to

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see us no it's a it's it's not real I

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made it I have pictures I can show you

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I'm the only filmmaker who works in the

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space that debunks their own stuff I've

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got a small little niche market going

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here and they were insistent send it to

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me I don't care sent it to me I'm like

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I'm not gonna send it to you it's gonna

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cost me too much to send out and I've

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made my money back on yet so yeah so I

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would I would argue with these people

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and I would say look it's it's not real

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and they would say you know how do you

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explain the fact that my my mother's

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sister's neighbor knows the Macpherson's

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cousin and I said I cannot explain

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how your mothers sisters cuz it knows

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the cousin of the Macpherson's I never

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be able to do that so you just kind of

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at some point you you you know you make

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your case and then you let people go

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with it or not I mean some people it's

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kind of you know a religion you know and

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you just kind of you you let them know

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gently as possible that you know hey

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this is it it's also a cautionary tale

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for a lot of people I mean I'm a

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romantic and so for me whenever I see a

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ufo-related story

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I'm very timid I don't kiss on the first

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date

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ai ai ai you need to earn my love so I

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need to go and I need to like you know

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be wine and dine and see that this

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person I need to check their taxes I

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need to see their mother and go okay

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you're legit I can help give myself to

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you a hundred percent but anyway and so

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this is a remastered version and now I I

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did want to ask you you had some added

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distance they are pretty realistic

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looking aliens and a spaceship I

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couldn't quite figure out the spaceship

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but you know I don't want to give too

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much about the video way but let's just

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touch on kind of what happens it's a

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birthday party for a little girl there

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the power goes out and yeah you want to

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just fill in a little bit of it and then

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just to let everyone know on YouTube

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during people that are watching in

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YouTube right before we head into the

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break we're gonna play the trailer so

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you get to see the trailer of it and

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it's it's going to be released on Amazon

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right is that a word yeah and that's 28

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yeah yeah so what happened was over it

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well I'll give you the synopsis of the

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story the story it starts out this

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family father passed away recently and

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the youngest son bought this home video

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camera with his inheritance money not

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not wisely spent and and so his older

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brother is having his daughters

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five-year-old birthday party at the

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mother's house where this kid lives and

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so they're all there and it's a cabin

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out in the woods and they see this light

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in the sky and there's a blackout

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to investigate and they see something

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that they did not expect out in their

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woods and it kind of follows them back

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and one by one you know what hits the

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fan and and so that's kind of the set up

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fort and the ship in aliens our budget

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and time for that was $750 a guy who did

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it

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Bilbo's very talented went on to do the

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first Fantastic Four film he worked with

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Tim Burton and the scooby-doo films very

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talented production designer and and

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Tommy how much of that six thousand

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dollar budget was that was 750 oh that

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that was his entire budget was 750 made

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750 bucks Wow yeah yeah and another

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another fifty bucks we could have got

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the mouths to mouth I keep that's the

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role so anyway um yeah so so what

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happened was this thing over the years

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because I apparently everything I do in

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30 years as a 30 year ripen it's like

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wine it's gonna take a while so anything

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I do now

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it won't be you know I'll be however old

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anyway um I I get a call from this guy

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from Alamo Drafthouse and an agfa

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bleeding skull

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that's a indie label that Alamo

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Drafthouse has saying we've tracked you

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down when I was a kid I watched his film

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it scared the crap out of me do you know

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what's going on with your film the

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second time I've heard this called

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before and granted in between that call

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which was a year ago and and the first

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UFO abduction ivory made it for UPN

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which is not a very good version this is

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an example of what you have more money

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yeah it's not make a better product

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yeah 1.25 million well and yeah we got

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the guy some x-files through the

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shipping aliens now no good stew it not

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well anyway I mean it was more than so

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uh yeah yeah yeah a little bit and so

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anyway this guy call his name was a Jose

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Eber he calls and he says look I love

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your film and I want to show it at

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Fantastic Fest which is

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yes genre Film Festival in the world and

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and I'd like to distribute it

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theatrically and get it release in

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theaters across the country and so I

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don't know if I hung up on them are and

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I think I listened to him gave him a

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chance and it just blew my mind and he

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said do you have no idea you know this

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is a film that affected me and there was

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a big market out there these you know

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there's a whole cult following so I went

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last September October 2 to the

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screening and we had a packed house and

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Ally sat next to me my girlfriend and I

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said to her I whispered to her I said

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there's a chance because I've never seen

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this with an audience there's a chance

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that this is gonna go south because

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there's a lot of talking over each other

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and so that was the last real review

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that I had I mean we had at one

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screening friends and family crew you

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know in 88-89

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that doesn't count these people don't

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know me yeah they're not gonna go you

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know home with me and by me you know a

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drink and so I so we sit next to the

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aisle and and then we're watching it and

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I see I get it that it has this

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nostalgia 80s vibe to it it's very

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analog and and even the things I mean

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there's fun unintentional jokes in it as

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well as you know jokes that that you

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know we're kind of landing but mostly it

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was just this kind of fun experience

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going back in time and seeing this kind

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of you know rough-and-ready version of

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what would be like and again the ship

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and the aliens and the abductions

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everything was two-letter over the love

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of how it happens so again it was you

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know a real opportunity for me as a

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budding ufologist to recreate something

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without getting probed in and how did

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the ADI audience like it they loved it

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the QA was one their longest Q&A is

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after well and the questions were great

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I actually I said I had I had there was

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a I said to them I said look cuz I

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showed her at ufl Congress and I said to

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them I said is there anyone here that

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still believes even after seeing you

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know something behind the scene shots I

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mean

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that at the movie is real that I'm full

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of it and like three people raised their

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head hands in the back of the room and I

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realized this is like covet you see

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those three but not our now it's much

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worse than that much worse so I'm

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figuring the whole you know at least a

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third of that audience thinks that I'm

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full of it so we show this and I'm

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wondering the same thing happens and I

519
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said is there anyone out here that still

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you know thinks that and I you know and

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I look up and I go this guy over here

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look at him his arms were folded he

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thinks I'm full of crap look at this guy

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and and then that guy who was Madhuri

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and says do you think that he's full of

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it and he says I just I don't think it's

527
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funny the way that he is mocking you

528
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know this real family that this thing

529
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happened and I said what if I could get

530
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you would to a place where you would

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full firmly realize that this is real

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and it goes good luck and I go okay come

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so I brought him up on stage and I had

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him pull out his wallet and he reached

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00:23:37,630 --> 00:23:35,030
in I said take your ID out so he takes

536
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:37,640
out and this is Tommy giovannini and

537
00:23:48,130 --> 00:23:46,130
he's a reactor myself so at that point

538
00:23:50,410 --> 00:23:48,140
there's anyone in the theater that still

539
00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:50,420
thought that it was real it just kind of

540
00:23:54,370 --> 00:23:51,700
obliterated

541
00:23:56,050 --> 00:23:54,380
that's what he's um someone said in the

542
00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:56,060
chat room that it would be great if you

543
00:24:01,080 --> 00:23:58,640
had like a reunion of the cast at one of

544
00:24:02,860 --> 00:24:01,090
the conference's that would be fun huh I

545
00:24:04,750 --> 00:24:02,870
would love to do that

546
00:24:07,150 --> 00:24:04,760
they were rock stars I mean they really

547
00:24:10,030 --> 00:24:07,160
really brought it again the spirit was

548
00:24:12,580 --> 00:24:10,040
not to fool anyone it was it was it was

549
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:12,590
two things it was my need to get my

550
00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:16,250
first film done before this ridiculous

551
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:19,070
age limit and the second one was to pay

552
00:24:25,030 --> 00:24:22,880
homage homage to this to this phenomenon

553
00:24:26,890 --> 00:24:25,040
and and to recreate it in a way where

554
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:26,900
people could see what that would be like

555
00:24:31,210 --> 00:24:28,610
and experience that and then what

556
00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:31,220
happened beyond that was you know divine

557
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:33,230
intervention or alien intervention

558
00:24:39,660 --> 00:24:36,050
depending on yeah Dean so we are out of

559
00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:39,670
time where where can someone find this

560
00:24:46,090 --> 00:24:44,180
they can find it on Amazon and it's now

561
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:46,100
- when I say it's or you mentioned that

562
00:24:49,690 --> 00:24:47,810
it's been getting a new release I went

563
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:49,700
back to the original eight millimeter

564
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,370
video tape copies or VHS whatever

565
00:24:54,820 --> 00:24:53,840
chattering I went back to the original

566
00:24:56,890 --> 00:24:54,830
because I had the originals I had to

567
00:24:59,260 --> 00:24:56,900
rebuild it now people have been ripping

568
00:25:01,840 --> 00:24:59,270
me off and posting my stuff online so I

569
00:25:05,230 --> 00:25:01,850
had to rip them off in order to see the

570
00:25:07,450 --> 00:25:05,240
original cut down so this is the

571
00:25:08,890 --> 00:25:07,460
original original original it's high-end

572
00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:08,900
I mean it looks you know really good

573
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:11,300
cleaned up and so they can go there's a

574
00:25:14,830 --> 00:25:13,130
DVD and there's also a blu-ray it's the

575
00:25:16,420 --> 00:25:14,840
first time it's been done there's a

576
00:25:18,190 --> 00:25:16,430
whole bunch of fun bells and whistles

577
00:25:20,830 --> 00:25:18,200
special effects excuse me special

578
00:25:22,540 --> 00:25:20,840
features so if I think you've got a link

579
00:25:24,250 --> 00:25:22,550
on that on your side yes I do looking

580
00:25:27,549 --> 00:25:24,260
just on the site wait and I do believe

581
00:25:30,370 --> 00:25:27,559
it's on you yeah all right thanks so

582
00:25:32,650 --> 00:25:30,380
much Dean and I'll be talking to you

583
00:25:33,790 --> 00:25:32,660
real soon all right thank you brother

584
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:33,800
all right yeah well

585
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:35,210
talk to you later safe all right

586
00:25:38,410 --> 00:25:37,370
everyone hang in there you people on

587
00:25:41,100 --> 00:25:38,420
YouTube

588
00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:41,110
hang in there to watch this trailer and

589
00:25:46,530 --> 00:25:44,420
over at kgr a radio we'll be right back

590
00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:46,540
right after these messages

591
00:25:49,290 --> 00:25:48,500
clear

592
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:49,300
[Applause]

593
00:26:03,660 --> 00:25:57,520
[Music]

594
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:03,670
[Applause]

595
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:29,010
[Music]

596
00:27:01,560 --> 00:26:58,250
all right welcome back my guest is Elia

597
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:01,570
welcome to the show Zeile yeah hi thank

598
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:03,700
you I'm really happy to be here let's

599
00:27:08,820 --> 00:27:05,650
see a Steve Steve Ward who's actually

600
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:08,830
been on this show recommended you he was

601
00:27:14,130 --> 00:27:13,120
at a conference who did was it on orbs

602
00:27:16,290 --> 00:27:14,140
is that what that was

603
00:27:17,940 --> 00:27:16,300
when you did that on those yeah my

604
00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:17,950
presentation was on orbs and that was at

605
00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:19,990
the van Meter visitor festival last

606
00:27:24,570 --> 00:27:22,780
September and that is an awesome

607
00:27:26,370 --> 00:27:24,580
festival still highly recommended there

608
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:26,380
and yeah that's where I met Steve Ward

609
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:27,850
we're both very much into the work of

610
00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:32,530
John keel so John keel we actually have

611
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:36,310
a blog on our website devoted to him but

612
00:27:42,300 --> 00:27:39,730
yeah a interest very interesting person

613
00:27:44,790 --> 00:27:42,310
but let's talk about you

614
00:27:48,030 --> 00:27:44,800
what started your interest actually in

615
00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:48,040
this topic so the truth is I've been

616
00:27:52,650 --> 00:27:50,350
interested in all of this you know kind

617
00:27:53,670 --> 00:27:52,660
of weirder stop the paranormal loosely

618
00:27:55,380 --> 00:27:53,680
for my entire life

619
00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:55,390
um I can't remember a time where it just

620
00:27:59,070 --> 00:27:56,350
wasn't something that was really

621
00:28:00,930 --> 00:27:59,080
intriguing to me and I started really

622
00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:00,940
researching it when I was about eight or

623
00:28:05,490 --> 00:28:03,310
nine years old and surprisingly enough

624
00:28:08,550 --> 00:28:05,500
my intro to the field at large was

625
00:28:10,290 --> 00:28:08,560
actually cryptozoology my mom really got

626
00:28:12,330 --> 00:28:10,300
me interested in Bigfoot and Sasquatch

627
00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:12,340
actually she remembered you know growing

628
00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:13,870
up in the 70s all of the you know

629
00:28:18,270 --> 00:28:15,640
made-for-tv movies and stuff about

630
00:28:19,650 --> 00:28:18,280
sasquatch and so she thought at the time

631
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:19,660
she's like oh this is kind of fun you

632
00:28:25,230 --> 00:28:22,480
know urban legend to you know introduce

633
00:28:26,790 --> 00:28:25,240
Elia to you and it's funny because then

634
00:28:28,350 --> 00:28:26,800
she started researching and now she does

635
00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:28,360
have a pretty major interest in

636
00:28:31,410 --> 00:28:29,950
Sasquatch as well you know ii think

637
00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:31,420
obviously knows it's far more than an

638
00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:33,640
urban legend and that was definitely my

639
00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:35,980
intro into this field so from then on I

640
00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:37,390
just you know I went to the library and

641
00:28:41,790 --> 00:28:39,280
picked up every single book I could find

642
00:28:43,230 --> 00:28:41,800
on the topic surprisingly enough one of

643
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:43,240
John keels books the complete guide to

644
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:45,330
mysterious beings was among them

645
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:47,250
and so I was one of my first books on

646
00:28:51,380 --> 00:28:49,050
the topic and then when I was 10 years

647
00:28:53,270 --> 00:28:51,390
old I actually met Linda Godfrey I'm at

648
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:53,280
a book signing and that just totally

649
00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:54,690
changed my life because you know here I

650
00:28:58,430 --> 00:28:56,430
actually met someone who was doing this

651
00:29:01,610 --> 00:28:58,440
work and was researching of all things

652
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:01,620
werewolves in Wisconsin and then like

653
00:29:05,300 --> 00:29:03,720
about a year later I met Chad Lewis at

654
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,310
one of his presentations and of course

655
00:29:09,230 --> 00:29:06,900
he does the haunting haunted road guides

656
00:29:11,300 --> 00:29:09,240
to um different haunted locations and

657
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:11,310
stuff like that and it was just you know

658
00:29:15,890 --> 00:29:13,650
those two people were really a profound

659
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,900
influence on my life from that point on

660
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,640
so yeah since that time I've been pretty

661
00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:19,200
much extensively researching the

662
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:21,000
paranormal did you say when you were 10

663
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:22,290
years old did I hear you say that

664
00:29:28,580 --> 00:29:25,770
mmm 10 years old Wow yeah so you really

665
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,590
started young yeah yeah that's really

666
00:29:34,340 --> 00:29:31,110
you know that's really great that your

667
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:34,350
mother actually was open you know

668
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:37,320
opening these type of very interesting

669
00:29:41,090 --> 00:29:39,120
topics that a lot of people think you

670
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:41,100
know they don't ever want to have their

671
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:43,250
kids you don't think about or talk about

672
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:47,730
you know because of the you know you

673
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:49,770
know the ridicule you could possibly get

674
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:51,570
you know like you've talked about at

675
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:53,730
school or something like that but no

676
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:55,890
yeah she yeah she's always been very

677
00:30:01,640 --> 00:29:57,810
supportive of my interests and I know

678
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:01,650
I'm very lucky to have that so yeah and

679
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,720
so what what type of things did you get

680
00:30:12,290 --> 00:30:08,840
into is all types of paranormal not just

681
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:12,300
not just Bigfoot or or UFOs but you've

682
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:14,120
really looked at everything right

683
00:30:20,420 --> 00:30:17,850
basically within Wisconsin or just all

684
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:20,430
over um well obviously Wisconsin has a

685
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:23,190
very strong history of weirdness um you

686
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:24,720
know I love this day I'm very fortunate

687
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:27,330
to be here um so Wisconsin is probably a

688
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,920
focus of mine but it has definitely

689
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:30,480
branched out to just you know all over

690
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:32,850
the place and I did I started with a

691
00:30:36,620 --> 00:30:34,980
main interest in cryptozoology and you

692
00:30:38,210 --> 00:30:36,630
know ferm I would say a couple years

693
00:30:39,770 --> 00:30:38,220
that was pretty much all I was really

694
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:39,780
really interested in this cryptozoology

695
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:41,610
but then as time went on you know I

696
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,140
started looking into yeah like hauntings

697
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:45,360
and then of course the UFO field and now

698
00:30:49,610 --> 00:30:47,760
for years I did look at that in a very

699
00:30:51,950 --> 00:30:49,620
like you know separate way that you know

700
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:51,960
UFOs are you know extraterrestrials

701
00:30:57,860 --> 00:30:55,710
visiting earth and all cryptids are just

702
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,870
some sort of undiscovered creature goes

703
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:00,120
spirits of the departed but as time went

704
00:31:05,450 --> 00:31:02,370
on I read rediscovered keel when I was

705
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:05,460
17 with Mothman Prophecies and it was

706
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,500
that that was a huge turning point in

707
00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:09,059
how he started looking at the phenomenon

708
00:31:12,290 --> 00:31:10,830
and so now I am kind of at this point

709
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:12,300
where I'm seeing you know the

710
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:13,440
connections between these different

711
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:15,600
types of phenomena and that's what I'm

712
00:31:19,940 --> 00:31:17,760
very interested in now so a very

713
00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:19,950
cohesive look at kind of every single

714
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:22,020
different genre within the general field

715
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:24,570
of the paranormal there are some people

716
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,860
on I had a Paulino on this show going on

717
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:31,860
a year and a half ago and he was you

718
00:31:34,940 --> 00:31:32,850
know he cain't

719
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:34,950
kind of came up with this theory I don't

720
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:36,330
know if you've ever heard of Pollan been

721
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:40,080
you know they do a show near right I

722
00:31:44,150 --> 00:31:41,940
think it's a messages right by Rhode

723
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:44,160
Island but they're they've been I think

724
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:45,390
they have like six or seven hundred

725
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:48,660
shows that they've done together and on

726
00:31:54,500 --> 00:31:51,330
various topics but you know UFOs and

727
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:54,510
ghosts and all that he came up with this

728
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:57,410
theory he was explaining on on the show

729
00:32:03,620 --> 00:32:00,120
that he thinks that they're all related

730
00:32:06,140 --> 00:32:03,630
and is there is there any point in time

731
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:06,150
that you've actually thought along those

732
00:32:10,970 --> 00:32:08,490
lines oh absolutely

733
00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:10,980
um it's kind of interesting because for

734
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:12,870
some reason Sasquatch is actually the

735
00:32:15,890 --> 00:32:14,370
one holdout you know old habits die hard

736
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:15,900
that's the one thing where I'm really

737
00:32:20,390 --> 00:32:17,970
like hoping that there is some sort of

738
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:20,400
flesh-and-blood creature but even with

739
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:23,010
that you know there's so many cases

740
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:25,380
where you just can't fit it into that

741
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:27,330
box of like a physical flesh-and-blood

742
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:30,240
corporeal animal and so I am definitely

743
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:32,700
of the opinion that there is a lot more

744
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:34,290
in this field that's connected than

745
00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:35,970
there is not connected if that makes

746
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:37,710
sense and I don't think that that's you

747
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:39,210
know there's just one answer to all of

748
00:32:43,580 --> 00:32:41,070
this either I'm even with the case of

749
00:32:45,500 --> 00:32:43,590
UFO phenomenon I'm not entirely certain

750
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:45,510
that it could possibly be any one

751
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:47,130
particular thing but I think that in a

752
00:32:50,060 --> 00:32:48,630
lot of these cases there are definitely

753
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:50,070
lines that can be drawn across these

754
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:54,450
different fields yeah well you know some

755
00:32:59,150 --> 00:32:56,490
people will argue that they don't

756
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:59,160
believe that UFOs are part of paranormal

757
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:00,840
they'll say it's not really paranormal

758
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:03,240
because these are unidentified objects

759
00:33:09,730 --> 00:33:06,620
that are witnessed in the sky

760
00:33:12,610 --> 00:33:09,740
and you know some I mean I still don't

761
00:33:14,890 --> 00:33:12,620
know what they are myself after all no

762
00:33:18,010 --> 00:33:14,900
doing this show now for how many years

763
00:33:19,150 --> 00:33:18,020
now 2011 so 9 close to nine years eight

764
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:19,160
and a half years I've been doing this

765
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:22,370
show and I know probably less than I did

766
00:33:26,530 --> 00:33:25,070
when I started about what they are but

767
00:33:29,049 --> 00:33:26,540
it is interesting and I love hearing

768
00:33:30,790 --> 00:33:29,059
people's opinions of what they you know

769
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:30,800
what they are looking at and thinking

770
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:35,960
the possibilities are that getting a

771
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:37,250
little bit of feedback I'm not sure if

772
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:39,730
we hear that or not anyway

773
00:33:46,270 --> 00:33:43,990
and what type of things if you had to I

774
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:46,280
heard you say in another show I listened

775
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:49,850
to another show ultra terrestrial and

776
00:33:55,210 --> 00:33:53,150
then you talked about Crypt terrorists

777
00:33:58,210 --> 00:33:55,220
or truck terrestrial or something like

778
00:34:01,720 --> 00:33:58,220
okay yeah Christians yeah can you

779
00:34:03,370 --> 00:34:01,730
explain what that is exactly absolutely

780
00:34:05,260 --> 00:34:03,380
so the crypto terrestrial theory I

781
00:34:07,350 --> 00:34:05,270
actually first encountered in Ivan

782
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:07,360
Sanderson's book invisible residents and

783
00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:10,580
that book to Ivan Sanderson is another

784
00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:12,889
one my favorite researchers and that

785
00:34:17,980 --> 00:34:14,780
book really kind of propounded this idea

786
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,990
that there is the potential for a race

787
00:34:21,790 --> 00:34:20,480
of beings to be coexisting on this

788
00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:21,800
planet not this planet

789
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:24,590
I'm just unbeknownst to us and so he

790
00:34:27,550 --> 00:34:26,330
presents a line of reasoning in which

791
00:34:29,350 --> 00:34:27,560
you know the likely his place would be

792
00:34:32,230 --> 00:34:29,360
that they might live in like the

793
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,240
devotions and he also cites a lot that

794
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:34,159
book was mainly about on us oh so

795
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:36,409
identified super jobs and objects and

796
00:34:39,700 --> 00:34:38,690
that theory I do I find that very

797
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:39,710
interesting

798
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:42,560
um I am again with all of these

799
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:44,750
different ideas I know means think that

800
00:34:47,980 --> 00:34:46,250
they account for all of the sightings

801
00:34:50,260 --> 00:34:47,990
but yeah the crypto terrestrial theory

802
00:34:54,129 --> 00:34:50,270
is definitely an interesting one yeah

803
00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:54,139
and but okay as far as UFOs out there

804
00:34:59,920 --> 00:34:57,800
you did a talk on orbs so I want to I

805
00:35:02,140 --> 00:34:59,930
want to hear what you found out about

806
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:02,150
orbs and I know a lot of people I mean I

807
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:04,970
actually was sent a photo from someone

808
00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:08,390
and it was just dust it's just the way

809
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:10,070
the light hit it and the way the camera

810
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,570
took the picture it looks like an orb

811
00:35:16,660 --> 00:35:14,240
but there's a lot of that right I mean

812
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:16,670
there's a lot of oh yeah so why don't

813
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:19,130
you kind of explain your your thoughts

814
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:20,090
on or

815
00:35:24,220 --> 00:35:22,640
in general so I think I'll go on the

816
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:24,230
record here too and say that Chinese

817
00:35:28,210 --> 00:35:25,970
lanterns and dust motes are like to the

818
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:28,220
veins of my existence because so many

819
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:31,370
photos you know it's just dust motes

820
00:35:36,940 --> 00:35:33,890
it's condensation a lot of sightings of

821
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:36,950
UFO type orbs unfortunately our Chinese

822
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,940
lanterns hate those things anyway but no

823
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:42,800
it's true orbs are very interesting to

824
00:35:47,650 --> 00:35:46,190
me and the really interesting thing to

825
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:47,660
me about them is that they kind of are

826
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:49,250
across every different field of the

827
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:50,630
paranormals this is another one of those

828
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:52,490
kind of connecting points for me in

829
00:35:56,170 --> 00:35:53,930
regards to all these different types of

830
00:35:58,240 --> 00:35:56,180
phenomena because not only are orbs one

831
00:36:00,400 --> 00:35:58,250
of the most commonly reported UFO type I

832
00:36:02,170 --> 00:36:00,410
mean she gone nightcap it's a fire ball

833
00:36:04,060 --> 00:36:02,180
or sphere type object those are the two

834
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:04,070
like highest categories for most part of

835
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:06,290
these but they're also reported a lot of

836
00:36:10,510 --> 00:36:09,020
times with other types of UFOs on people

837
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:10,520
to see a craft and then in the area

838
00:36:14,140 --> 00:36:12,140
they'll be other sightings orbs or gonna

839
00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:14,150
see orbs with the craft or preceding a

840
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:16,670
craft or after the fact but also orbs

841
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:18,320
are observed in conjunction with

842
00:36:22,030 --> 00:36:20,090
cryptids and of course there's a huge

843
00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:22,040
correlation to hauntings and orbs and

844
00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:23,780
the thing that really struck me when I

845
00:36:28,570 --> 00:36:26,360
started doing this research is the fact

846
00:36:30,220 --> 00:36:28,580
that we're never really defining an orb

847
00:36:32,590 --> 00:36:30,230
is like okay it's a ghost or that's UFO

848
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:32,600
or as you know something that in itself

849
00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:35,150
is we're kind of identifying it based on

850
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:37,190
the situation around it so if you see it

851
00:36:40,540 --> 00:36:39,290
in the house it's a ghost or if you see

852
00:36:43,090 --> 00:36:40,550
it in a graveyard it's ghost or if you

853
00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:43,100
see it in the sky it's a UFO or if you

854
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:44,120
see where the cryptid people think

855
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:46,190
you're crazy and so that is the thing

856
00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:48,800
that really stood out to me I started to

857
00:36:51,850 --> 00:36:50,750
wonder if maybe there was more to it

858
00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:51,860
than that you know we have this

859
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:53,510
connection there with this one type of

860
00:36:58,960 --> 00:36:56,330
nominally or phenomenon across all these

861
00:37:01,630 --> 00:36:58,970
other unrelated types of land on so it's

862
00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:01,640
my opinion now that I do think that they

863
00:37:05,950 --> 00:37:03,740
are some type of energetic manifestation

864
00:37:08,050 --> 00:37:05,960
and I think that really it's kind of

865
00:37:08,410 --> 00:37:08,060
evidence for the fact that across the

866
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:08,420
board

867
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:10,400
you know UFOs ghosts and cryptids in

868
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:13,730
many cases there's some sort of energy

869
00:37:17,020 --> 00:37:15,050
that we simply don't understand about

870
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:17,030
them and that's what's kicking up this

871
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:19,040
kind of subset of the phenomenon in the

872
00:37:25,330 --> 00:37:22,850
orbs hmm Wow interesting in you know you

873
00:37:27,630 --> 00:37:25,340
think about you know all the way back on

874
00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:27,640
the Foo Fighters back you know during

875
00:37:33,330 --> 00:37:31,360
or two basically people were you know

876
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:33,340
pilots were seeing these things off

877
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:35,890
their wingtips you know following you

878
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:38,320
know their flight patterns and and they

879
00:37:41,940 --> 00:37:39,520
didn't know what they were they thought

880
00:37:43,620 --> 00:37:41,950
that might be the Japanese or the

881
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:43,630
Germans or whatever you know they had no

882
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:47,530
idea what they were but there there has

883
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,550
been a lot of orb sightings as UFOs I

884
00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:53,440
never really thought about what you're

885
00:37:56,370 --> 00:37:55,120
saying about the different types of

886
00:37:59,010 --> 00:37:56,380
worlds that people see but you know

887
00:38:00,390 --> 00:37:59,020
people do see them in houses people see

888
00:38:02,370 --> 00:38:00,400
them in their backyards and I don't know

889
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:02,380
if you'd call that it a UFO but a lot of

890
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,090
times they're just kind of small I mean

891
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:05,920
they're not really you know the size of

892
00:38:10,050 --> 00:38:07,330
a basketball or something like that

893
00:38:12,300 --> 00:38:10,060
that's what you hear about it yeah

894
00:38:13,950 --> 00:38:12,310
in most cases they are a basketball size

895
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:13,960
is probably the most common I would say

896
00:38:17,910 --> 00:38:16,450
especially on the outside um it's

897
00:38:19,530 --> 00:38:17,920
interesting too because I feel like and

898
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:19,540
this is the case with a lot of things in

899
00:38:22,740 --> 00:38:21,280
the paranormal people really look at it

900
00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:22,750
as kind of an either/or type thing

901
00:38:27,090 --> 00:38:24,700
because the interesting things with me

902
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,100
for orbs is that then you do have a

903
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:28,720
ghost lights where they make the

904
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:31,210
appearance every night you know every so

905
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:33,550
many nights time and time again and you

906
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:35,020
got a lot of those can be ruled out as

907
00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:36,370
headlights and stuff like that but there

908
00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:38,380
are many cases that are still anomalous

909
00:38:42,270 --> 00:38:40,750
on in regards to that specific type of

910
00:38:44,220 --> 00:38:42,280
that phenomenon and the interesting

911
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,230
thing to me is that you know looking at

912
00:38:48,270 --> 00:38:46,480
that what if this is some sort of maybe

913
00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:48,280
there's a geomagnetic fault line or

914
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:49,300
something that we simply don't

915
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:51,370
understand that's causing this that

916
00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:52,750
doesn't rule out that there is still a

917
00:38:57,780 --> 00:38:54,580
very strange connection when you've seen

918
00:39:00,090 --> 00:38:57,790
or with a cryptid or with a UFO or in a

919
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:00,100
haunted location by saying that some of

920
00:39:02,730 --> 00:39:01,570
them might simply be due to an

921
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:02,740
electrical structure that we don't

922
00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:04,090
understand or an energetic structure

923
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,830
that we don't understand that is natural

924
00:39:10,350 --> 00:39:07,780
that's not ruling out that there are

925
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:10,360
definitely strange anomalous connections

926
00:39:13,620 --> 00:39:12,370
there but it does kind of point to the

927
00:39:16,140 --> 00:39:13,630
idea that they would be a manifestation

928
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:16,150
of energy and that's what I really think

929
00:39:19,470 --> 00:39:18,130
it's interesting about it yeah and I

930
00:39:22,110 --> 00:39:19,480
think that's a very good possibility

931
00:39:24,030 --> 00:39:22,120
that was the Brown Mountain lights for

932
00:39:26,910 --> 00:39:24,040
for instance you know where there was a

933
00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:26,920
lot of copper in in the mountain there

934
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:28,960
and there was the orbs that people were

935
00:39:33,420 --> 00:39:31,090
seeing there you know there's a number

936
00:39:36,260 --> 00:39:33,430
of cases you know like that I think

937
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:36,270
there's other a Bridgewater triangle and

938
00:39:41,490 --> 00:39:38,890
Massachusetts in that area where they

939
00:39:43,590 --> 00:39:41,500
see this they can't explain

940
00:39:45,810 --> 00:39:43,600
to this day but above the railroad

941
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:45,820
tracks they see this or you know at a

942
00:39:49,230 --> 00:39:47,230
distance and they've never been able to

943
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:49,240
no one's ever been able to like track it

944
00:39:55,350 --> 00:39:52,570
down and to see what it actually is and

945
00:39:59,040 --> 00:39:55,360
I know there have been you know we

946
00:40:00,780 --> 00:39:59,050
always try to look for plausible reasons

947
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:00,790
why we're seeing different things there

948
00:40:05,220 --> 00:40:02,950
was some type of mountain where there

949
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:05,230
people were seeing these orbs in and it

950
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,290
ended up being headlights going up you

951
00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:10,000
know up the road up the mountain so

952
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:11,430
there are a lot of situations like that

953
00:40:16,590 --> 00:40:15,040
where it can actually be explained but I

954
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:16,600
do believe that there is some type of

955
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:18,730
energy I've never seen one myself so I

956
00:40:23,370 --> 00:40:20,530
can't say you know from firsthand

957
00:40:25,860 --> 00:40:23,380
experience but a lot of people report

958
00:40:28,700 --> 00:40:25,870
that they see these actually moving and

959
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:28,710
sometimes intelligently or seemingly so

960
00:40:33,780 --> 00:40:31,690
have you looked into that part of it and

961
00:40:36,810 --> 00:40:33,790
when people say that you know there's

962
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:36,820
possible intelligence yeah there are a

963
00:40:41,220 --> 00:40:39,280
lot of definite I would say anomalous

964
00:40:43,530 --> 00:40:41,230
maneuvers performed by these orbs on one

965
00:40:46,590 --> 00:40:43,540
of the really interesting ones with on

966
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:46,600
the very same therm believe it was the

967
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:49,090
Joplin spooklight potentially was

968
00:40:52,980 --> 00:40:50,770
observed actually going around on the

969
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:52,990
telephone pole you know and so you a

970
00:40:56,910 --> 00:40:54,850
head light reflection can't do that and

971
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:56,920
when they start maneuvering like that

972
00:41:01,860 --> 00:40:58,090
that is something that's incredibly

973
00:41:03,570 --> 00:41:01,870
intriguing I know there's a famous weird

974
00:41:05,970 --> 00:41:03,580
location Wisconsin The Devil's Punchbowl

975
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:05,980
that among other things had some

976
00:41:10,890 --> 00:41:08,680
sightings gnomes but there's an account

977
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:10,900
there that multicolored lights actually

978
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:13,480
moved into someone's car so there are

979
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:15,490
definitely some very anomalous things

980
00:41:18,900 --> 00:41:17,530
that these orbs are known to do you know

981
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,910
and then to you know a lot of people

982
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:21,280
some people tie them to abduction lore

983
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:23,110
some people say that they've been able

984
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:25,270
to see entities inside of them I know

985
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:27,580
there's some report from skinwalker

986
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:29,140
ranch where someone claimed that they

987
00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:30,850
actually saw a figure inside of one of

988
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:31,900
these things almost like it was some

989
00:41:36,750 --> 00:41:34,630
sort of portal so I mean again you know

990
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:36,760
there's definite outliers and definitely

991
00:41:40,850 --> 00:41:38,140
straight like even stranger than the

992
00:41:44,820 --> 00:41:40,860
typical strange in this yeah

993
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:44,830
there was actually a woman someone told

994
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:48,250
me no this is second-hand but someone

995
00:41:53,790 --> 00:41:50,650
that was on this show said a woman that

996
00:41:55,380 --> 00:41:53,800
he talked to told him his story now this

997
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:55,390
is just all stories right now

998
00:42:01,200 --> 00:41:57,970
but basically it was like an orb and out

999
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,210
from the orb came Bigfoot I mean you

1000
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:03,280
can't beat that that's that's all the

1001
00:42:09,740 --> 00:42:05,530
bells and whistles right there oh yeah

1002
00:42:12,420 --> 00:42:09,750
yeah I had mentioned to you off air when

1003
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:12,430
at first that I have a friend listening

1004
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:15,370
from Wisconsin that never has listened

1005
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:18,250
to the show before and and I've known

1006
00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:20,530
him for many years he he was interested

1007
00:42:25,770 --> 00:42:22,750
to hear what's going on on some of the

1008
00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:25,780
cases in Wisconsin and I'd like to talk

1009
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,190
a little bit about that some of the

1010
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:29,680
cases that you find fascinating that

1011
00:42:36,090 --> 00:42:32,920
happened in Wisconsin oh sure I think

1012
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:36,100
Wisconsin has a lot of just general

1013
00:42:41,070 --> 00:42:38,830
weirdness with specially UFOs and I

1014
00:42:43,650 --> 00:42:41,080
would say probably it may actually be my

1015
00:42:46,230 --> 00:42:43,660
absolute favorite UFO contact case is

1016
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:46,240
the Simonton encounter and this occurred

1017
00:42:51,900 --> 00:42:49,590
in Eagle River in 1961 the April 18th

1018
00:42:53,580 --> 00:42:51,910
Joe Symington was sitting eating his

1019
00:42:55,140 --> 00:42:53,590
breakfast was around 11 o'clock in the

1020
00:42:57,330 --> 00:42:55,150
morning but all of a sudden he heard

1021
00:42:58,620 --> 00:42:57,340
this weird noise outside and he said

1022
00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:58,630
that it kind of sounded like knobby

1023
00:43:03,710 --> 00:43:01,780
tires on what pavement and so he looked

1024
00:43:06,660 --> 00:43:03,720
outside and what does he see put this

1025
00:43:08,580 --> 00:43:06,670
luminous silver UFO he said it looked

1026
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:08,590
like it was kind of like two of on bowls

1027
00:43:13,890 --> 00:43:10,930
inverted on with these weird little like

1028
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,900
pipes around it so it's hovering over

1029
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,240
his backyard so he goes outside and he

1030
00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:17,680
walks up to it this opening appears in

1031
00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:20,470
the side of it and he looks inside and

1032
00:43:26,310 --> 00:43:24,040
he says that he sees three men who look

1033
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:26,320
like very short Italian men and they're

1034
00:43:31,380 --> 00:43:28,240
wearing black turtlenecks suits and

1035
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:31,390
little black knit caps and one of them

1036
00:43:34,890 --> 00:43:33,040
is at the opening he said that he got

1037
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:34,900
the vibe that one was like the leader it

1038
00:43:37,350 --> 00:43:36,370
had a red trim on the pants that was the

1039
00:43:39,870 --> 00:43:37,360
only thing that distinguished it from

1040
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:39,880
the other ones and it handed him a

1041
00:43:46,170 --> 00:43:44,020
little silver object a container of some

1042
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:46,180
sort that looked like it was made out of

1043
00:43:50,310 --> 00:43:48,250
the same material as the saucer itself

1044
00:43:51,060 --> 00:43:50,320
and somehow he got the impression and

1045
00:43:52,770 --> 00:43:51,070
you know I've listened to an interview

1046
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:52,780
with Simon to him and I have a lot of

1047
00:43:56,940 --> 00:43:54,490
papers on this he got the impression and

1048
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:56,950
he never said if it was telepathically

1049
00:44:03,180 --> 00:43:59,200
or body language or what but they needed

1050
00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:03,190
water so and I just love how just this

1051
00:44:07,110 --> 00:44:05,110
is very Wisconsin weird

1052
00:44:08,610 --> 00:44:07,120
he's just say oh okay sure thing man let

1053
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:08,620
me go get you some water so he goes into

1054
00:44:11,010 --> 00:44:09,130
the house

1055
00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:11,020
he gets the water he comes back out and

1056
00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:14,200
many notices that one of these occupants

1057
00:44:18,150 --> 00:44:15,910
is standing it what looks like a

1058
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:18,160
flameless grill making some sort of food

1059
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:21,850
and this is what takes this case you

1060
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:23,860
know as of right now it's already weird

1061
00:44:26,070 --> 00:44:25,210
enough but it just takes it to the next

1062
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,080
level of weirdness

1063
00:44:29,700 --> 00:44:28,240
so Simonton hands up with water any kind

1064
00:44:31,710 --> 00:44:29,710
of emotions like you know hey what are

1065
00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,720
you guys doing well apparently the

1066
00:44:37,470 --> 00:44:34,720
leader entity took that as he wanted to

1067
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:37,480
sample some sort so he gave Simonton

1068
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:41,610
three of these pancake-like objects and

1069
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:44,290
again i love this case it's probably my

1070
00:44:49,710 --> 00:44:47,440
favorite contact case ever so Simonton

1071
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:49,720
kept the pancakes the thing took off

1072
00:44:53,490 --> 00:44:51,490
apparently about one of the nearby pine

1073
00:44:56,340 --> 00:44:53,500
trees and this case was actually

1074
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:56,350
investigated by project book and it's

1075
00:45:00,330 --> 00:44:58,630
just it's an it's really an amazing case

1076
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:00,340
so Simonton kept the pancakes he

1077
00:45:03,570 --> 00:45:02,410
actually tasted one of them so that it

1078
00:45:06,810 --> 00:45:03,580
tasted like cardboard

1079
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,820
i mean that takes some level of courage

1080
00:45:11,580 --> 00:45:09,760
those taste an alien pancake

1081
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:11,590
there was a sample that was sent to the

1082
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:13,570
FDA the Food and Drug Administration to

1083
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:15,430
you know to try and ascertain exactly

1084
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:17,770
what they were composed of and here's

1085
00:45:21,390 --> 00:45:20,050
what it really this is this thing that's

1086
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:21,400
very interesting to me about a lot of

1087
00:45:26,670 --> 00:45:23,650
cases of artifacts given to people from

1088
00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:26,680
UFO occupants the pancake came back that

1089
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:27,640
it was completely made out of

1090
00:45:30,990 --> 00:45:28,990
terrestrial materials

1091
00:45:32,910 --> 00:45:31,000
there's mainly buckwheat hulls and

1092
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:32,920
something like Crisco I believe but but

1093
00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:35,410
there was yeah maybe they stopped at a

1094
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,030
convenience store first you never know

1095
00:45:40,830 --> 00:45:39,760
you know me exactly neighborhoods so

1096
00:45:43,500 --> 00:45:40,840
they just picked up some Crisco and

1097
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:43,510
buckwheat no we're good um there was an

1098
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:46,570
absent yeah awesome just totally awesome

1099
00:45:51,330 --> 00:45:49,480
and so the thing here is that a lot

1100
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:51,340
pretty much everyone then absolutely

1101
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:53,200
dropped the case because on the one hand

1102
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:55,030
you know you have the skeptics who are

1103
00:45:59,010 --> 00:45:56,350
like okay well it was terrestrial

1104
00:46:00,660 --> 00:45:59,020
materials so obviously he made it up as

1105
00:46:02,430 --> 00:46:00,670
to why he would make such hideous

1106
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:02,440
pancakes whoever sent pictures of it

1107
00:46:08,100 --> 00:46:04,810
they do they look just like awful they

1108
00:46:10,890 --> 00:46:08,110
look horrible um as to why he would go

1109
00:46:12,300 --> 00:46:10,900
to those lengths to make this up and you

1110
00:46:14,700 --> 00:46:12,310
know he regretted his decision to come

1111
00:46:16,650 --> 00:46:14,710
forward for the rest of his life I have

1112
00:46:19,710 --> 00:46:16,660
no idea but then on the flip side you

1113
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:19,720
know a lot of even ufologists you know

1114
00:46:24,030 --> 00:46:22,090
it's already hard enough to a

1115
00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:24,040
here to be professional going about the

1116
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,380
business of investigating UFOs and so as

1117
00:46:29,820 --> 00:46:28,480
soon as there was room for anyone to be

1118
00:46:32,250 --> 00:46:29,830
like well he made it up

1119
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:32,260
absolutely dropped the case as well but

1120
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:33,640
I think that the intriguing thing to me

1121
00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:36,340
about it is that you get this a lot in

1122
00:46:40,110 --> 00:46:38,320
artifact cases where the artifact in

1123
00:46:41,790 --> 00:46:40,120
question you know what does a witness

1124
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:41,800
want more than anything when they see a

1125
00:46:44,730 --> 00:46:43,690
UFO or experience something that you

1126
00:46:46,980 --> 00:46:44,740
know no one's going to believe them they

1127
00:46:48,570 --> 00:46:46,990
want some sort of proof and in many of

1128
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:48,580
these cases unfortunately the proof

1129
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:51,010
which is given and promised turns out to

1130
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:53,530
be a very mundane single object

1131
00:46:57,300 --> 00:46:54,970
I mean oki'll referred to it as the

1132
00:47:00,750 --> 00:46:57,310
artifact game in operation Trojan horse

1133
00:47:01,860 --> 00:47:00,760
and so I think that's with this case

1134
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:01,870
though there's a huge tradition

1135
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:03,730
throughout fairy lore and this was

1136
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:05,050
really pointed out by Jacques Vallee in

1137
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:08,560
Casper - magana regarding flat breads

1138
00:47:13,710 --> 00:47:11,440
and pancakes I mean a lot of cases of

1139
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:13,720
fairy contact and even in demonology

1140
00:47:19,140 --> 00:47:16,390
those cases of contact that way involve

1141
00:47:20,550 --> 00:47:19,150
flat breads for some crazy reason and so

1142
00:47:23,490 --> 00:47:20,560
if you look at this case kind of more

1143
00:47:25,230 --> 00:47:23,500
symbolically and folkloric lis you

1144
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:25,240
suddenly do kind of have a connection on

1145
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,890
there's also really weird thing that

1146
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:28,480
pancakes were absolutely devoid of any

1147
00:47:33,810 --> 00:47:32,050
form of salt and this ties into to fairy

1148
00:47:35,730 --> 00:47:33,820
lore where apparently the fairies are

1149
00:47:38,820 --> 00:47:35,740
unable to tolerate salt in any of their

1150
00:47:40,650 --> 00:47:38,830
foods so it's a very very bizarre case

1151
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:40,660
really interesting yeah

1152
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:43,570
what are some other ones some I'm you

1153
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:46,870
know I can't say as I know of of any in

1154
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:49,570
Wisconsin what are some of the other

1155
00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:54,010
ones said I mean does Wisconsin have a

1156
00:47:59,250 --> 00:47:56,920
Roswell I mean a famous case that a lot

1157
00:48:02,640 --> 00:47:59,260
of people talk about like because I

1158
00:48:04,410 --> 00:48:02,650
can't think of one in particular we do

1159
00:48:04,860 --> 00:48:04,420
have three of the UFO capitals of the

1160
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:04,870
world

1161
00:48:11,310 --> 00:48:09,130
so self-proclaimed of course and one of

1162
00:48:15,930 --> 00:48:11,320
them oh gosh I'm getting dyslexia with

1163
00:48:20,130 --> 00:48:15,940
this I believe it was oh geez

1164
00:48:23,850 --> 00:48:20,140
was that one camera that was I think it

1165
00:48:25,530 --> 00:48:23,860
was long like potentially I sometimes

1166
00:48:28,260 --> 00:48:25,540
have a horrible time remembering out

1167
00:48:29,970 --> 00:48:28,270
places and dates and stuff had a really

1168
00:48:32,310 --> 00:48:29,980
interesting case where on one particular

1169
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:32,320
man officer wheeler actually had two

1170
00:48:36,329 --> 00:48:35,470
pretty intense sightings of UFOs on the

1171
00:48:38,579 --> 00:48:36,339
first one

1172
00:48:41,759 --> 00:48:38,589
occurred in the seventies and he saw a

1173
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:41,769
huge ball of fire is how he described it

1174
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:43,950
and that case is interesting enough um

1175
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:46,930
but then a year later almost a almost

1176
00:48:49,499 --> 00:48:47,890
year exactly

1177
00:48:51,269 --> 00:48:49,509
he actually had another encounter where

1178
00:48:53,309 --> 00:48:51,279
he saw again this kind of far-off light

1179
00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:53,319
he thought that there was a fire and so

1180
00:48:55,979 --> 00:48:54,670
he drove out to this location it was

1181
00:48:59,160 --> 00:48:55,989
Tuttle Hill and it's right next to a

1182
00:49:02,430 --> 00:48:59,170
quarry and all of a sudden he came into

1183
00:49:04,499 --> 00:49:02,440
contact with a huge craft omneya and he

1184
00:49:07,170 --> 00:49:04,509
has a very detailed description of it or

1185
00:49:08,819 --> 00:49:07,180
a picture and everything and with blue

1186
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:08,829
and white lights but the really

1187
00:49:14,009 --> 00:49:11,170
intriguing part is that then he actually

1188
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:14,019
was struck unconscious on and was

1189
00:49:19,650 --> 00:49:16,210
discovered later in his police cruiser

1190
00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:19,660
just totally knocked out so yeah that's

1191
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:21,460
a very significant encounter I would say

1192
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:27,910
yeah and and as far as other ones of

1193
00:49:34,140 --> 00:49:32,140
note if you just want to go through a

1194
00:49:36,539 --> 00:49:34,150
few of those because of this is these

1195
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,549
are all ones I've never heard of so far

1196
00:49:40,109 --> 00:49:38,319
oh yeah yeah except for the pancakes

1197
00:49:41,729 --> 00:49:40,119
I've heard about the pancakes you know I

1198
00:49:43,289 --> 00:49:41,739
always thought that was in I don't know

1199
00:49:46,969 --> 00:49:43,299
why but I thought that was in the desert

1200
00:49:49,709 --> 00:49:46,979
or something like that I pictured and

1201
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:49,719
for some reason when I had heard that

1202
00:49:54,569 --> 00:49:52,569
story before that they were actually

1203
00:49:58,079 --> 00:49:54,579
like in a cave or something but that's

1204
00:50:00,059 --> 00:49:58,089
not true it was always on the craft yeah

1205
00:50:01,859 --> 00:50:00,069
as far as I know I know that there is um

1206
00:50:03,690 --> 00:50:01,869
there's actually a connection to the

1207
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:03,700
icelandic else that's a big deal

1208
00:50:07,769 --> 00:50:06,160
where a woman actually claims that she

1209
00:50:11,099 --> 00:50:07,779
swapped pancakes with them as well

1210
00:50:12,479 --> 00:50:11,109
um that was fairly recently asked me

1211
00:50:13,289 --> 00:50:12,489
what's up with all the pancakes yeah

1212
00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:13,299
that's funny

1213
00:50:19,739 --> 00:50:16,329
yeah yeah and so other other Wisconsin

1214
00:50:23,219 --> 00:50:19,749
cases about I'm just trying to think it

1215
00:50:24,779 --> 00:50:23,229
no no if that wasn't Wisconsin so I'd

1216
00:50:28,289 --> 00:50:24,789
like to hear you were actually involved

1217
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:28,299
in MUFON there right yes I was yeah and

1218
00:50:34,620 --> 00:50:31,359
um I invest I was on a certified field

1219
00:50:36,539 --> 00:50:34,630
investigator and then state director for

1220
00:50:38,549 --> 00:50:36,549
a time and you know the interesting

1221
00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:38,559
thing is that a lot of cases that I

1222
00:50:42,989 --> 00:50:40,660
investigated where it's kind of in line

1223
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:42,999
with the orb or life fall phenomenon I'd

1224
00:50:45,749 --> 00:50:44,079
say that's probably one of the most

1225
00:50:49,229 --> 00:50:45,759
predominant type of sightings we have

1226
00:50:50,190 --> 00:50:49,239
around here are orbs and some people

1227
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:50,200
actually tie that

1228
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:52,810
to the Great Lakes a lot of these

1229
00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:54,790
sightings occur either near the lakes or

1230
00:50:58,260 --> 00:50:56,470
people even see the lights going in out

1231
00:51:00,720 --> 00:50:58,270
of the lakes so that is definitely a

1232
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:00,730
connection I would say um it's really

1233
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:02,770
interesting - yeah there are a lot of

1234
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:04,570
people that claim there there are

1235
00:51:11,550 --> 00:51:08,290
abductions in Wisconsin as well do you

1236
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:11,560
ever hear about that I would say so I

1237
00:51:16,140 --> 00:51:14,140
believe I'm a UFO capitals in the world

1238
00:51:17,849 --> 00:51:16,150
I think is Long Lake actually there is

1239
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:17,859
on a statement that a lot of people at

1240
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:21,130
the time there was huge UFO flap claims

1241
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:23,560
that they were being abducted and I

1242
00:51:27,780 --> 00:51:25,630
can't find really that many details on

1243
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,790
that I know what I was with MUFON there

1244
00:51:31,890 --> 00:51:30,160
were a few cases of abduction that I was

1245
00:51:35,310 --> 00:51:31,900
aware of I was never directly involved

1246
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:35,320
with those so um and for the new

1247
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:37,030
listener out there a lot of people don't

1248
00:51:42,839 --> 00:51:39,640
even you know that are brand-new don't

1249
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:42,849
even know what MUFON is it's the mutual

1250
00:51:53,010 --> 00:51:46,240
UFO network it's I think it's the oldest

1251
00:51:54,809 --> 00:51:53,020
existing network for UFO you know

1252
00:51:59,460 --> 00:51:54,819
reporting basically if someone wants to

1253
00:52:03,180 --> 00:51:59,470
report a UFO and you said you were state

1254
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:03,190
director for a short time and what what

1255
00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:06,250
did you leave because of kind of what

1256
00:52:12,569 --> 00:52:08,220
happened number of years ago

1257
00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:12,579
controversial II or are there it's an

1258
00:52:16,770 --> 00:52:14,920
interesting organization I will say that

1259
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:16,780
a lot of the researchers that I came

1260
00:52:20,010 --> 00:52:18,460
into contact with on a lot of the field

1261
00:52:21,569 --> 00:52:20,020
investigators I came into contact with

1262
00:52:23,250 --> 00:52:21,579
are definitely in it for the right

1263
00:52:24,089 --> 00:52:23,260
reason yeah you know and are doing

1264
00:52:29,490 --> 00:52:24,099
really good work

1265
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:29,500
so yeah yeah um any organization I feel

1266
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:31,810
like that is involved with this you're

1267
00:52:36,780 --> 00:52:33,640
always going to kind of have the you

1268
00:52:38,460 --> 00:52:36,790
know conspiracy angle of it and it was

1269
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:38,470
it was interesting being part of the fun

1270
00:52:43,500 --> 00:52:40,569
for me the main reason I left was due to

1271
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:43,510
the workload Wisconsin at the time that

1272
00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:46,240
I was a state director had only four or

1273
00:52:51,210 --> 00:52:47,470
five field investigators including

1274
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:51,220
myself um yeah and so you know sometimes

1275
00:52:55,260 --> 00:52:52,710
it would be totally fine you know

1276
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:55,270
typically we wouldn't get very many

1277
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,890
cases on a week-to-week basis but all of

1278
00:53:01,650 --> 00:52:58,720
a sudden we could even have a dozen

1279
00:53:03,990 --> 00:53:01,660
cases and so you know that was

1280
00:53:06,359 --> 00:53:04,000
definitely kind of part of why

1281
00:53:08,460 --> 00:53:06,369
also too I just you know it was kind of

1282
00:53:09,690 --> 00:53:08,470
making my own way in this research like

1283
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:09,700
I said I've moved towards the way more

1284
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:12,670
cohesive look at it and that was kind of

1285
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:14,890
the angle I wanted to focus on was this

1286
00:53:20,430 --> 00:53:18,880
kind of cross genre research so yeah I

1287
00:53:22,589 --> 00:53:20,440
just decided to start focusing more on

1288
00:53:25,859 --> 00:53:22,599
that yep

1289
00:53:28,349 --> 00:53:25,869
so when if you could explain for

1290
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:28,359
listeners that doesn't really understand

1291
00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:30,670
how this works a report comes in to

1292
00:53:35,310 --> 00:53:33,790
MUFON and then it it basically doesn't

1293
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:35,320
come into the state though does it it

1294
00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:38,290
comes in to MUFON itself and then it's

1295
00:53:44,609 --> 00:53:42,580
sent out from there yep so go ahead yep

1296
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,619
it goes into MUFON and then from there

1297
00:53:48,540 --> 00:53:46,720
it is kind of sorted out into state by

1298
00:53:50,370 --> 00:53:48,550
state and then the state director is the

1299
00:53:52,530 --> 00:53:50,380
first person after that point to get the

1300
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:52,540
report from which point then it's

1301
00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:56,470
assigned to an investigator so and that

1302
00:54:00,270 --> 00:53:57,670
was that was the coolest part about

1303
00:54:01,830 --> 00:54:00,280
MUFON was being able to you know have

1304
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:01,840
access to those cases of being able to

1305
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:03,910
talk to witnesses I really really loved

1306
00:54:07,500 --> 00:54:06,250
that angle of it yeah I mean it's

1307
00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:07,510
amazing too because again I've been

1308
00:54:12,359 --> 00:54:09,460
researching this whole thing for a very

1309
00:54:14,790 --> 00:54:12,369
long time so I kind of not that I've

1310
00:54:17,010 --> 00:54:14,800
lost the like oh wow this is crazy sort

1311
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:17,020
of vibe but to deal with someone who has

1312
00:54:22,140 --> 00:54:19,570
seen something that really you know kind

1313
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:22,150
of rocked their world and you're the

1314
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:23,530
first person they're reaching out to to

1315
00:54:27,870 --> 00:54:25,210
talk about it yeah that was something

1316
00:54:29,550 --> 00:54:27,880
that you know I really I wasn't prepared

1317
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:29,560
for I mean it was amazing to be able to

1318
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:31,210
talk to someone who's like you know I

1319
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:33,130
have no one else to talk to I just want

1320
00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:34,930
to know what this one's yeah and so that

1321
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:37,839
gave me a huge appreciation um for the

1322
00:54:40,770 --> 00:54:39,010
phenomenon itself and also for people

1323
00:54:42,839 --> 00:54:40,780
who report I would really advise if you

1324
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:42,849
do see something absolutely report it to

1325
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:44,650
somebody at least um you know because

1326
00:54:48,570 --> 00:54:46,780
most sightings go unreported I mean I

1327
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:48,580
think that it's a really low percentage

1328
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:50,380
probably about 20 percent that ever gets

1329
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:52,690
reported and of course that's you know

1330
00:54:56,670 --> 00:54:54,010
that's all that researchers have to go

1331
00:54:59,400 --> 00:54:56,680
on right so right and they're you know

1332
00:55:01,320 --> 00:54:59,410
there could be some collaborating

1333
00:55:04,470 --> 00:55:01,330
witnesses that you know who would really

1334
00:55:09,660 --> 00:55:04,480
help a lot that never never reported

1335
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:09,670
when I had a sighting back in 2006 and I

1336
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:12,970
had I always get the year confused of

1337
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,249
2006 to 2007 I can't really remember

1338
00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:18,799
but I had it never even crossed my mind

1339
00:55:24,249 --> 00:55:21,470
to look on the Internet to report it oh

1340
00:55:25,900 --> 00:55:24,259
never cross behind it just like I called

1341
00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:25,910
the police department because I didn't

1342
00:55:31,450 --> 00:55:27,940
know yeah I didn't know what to do and

1343
00:55:33,999 --> 00:55:31,460
do you think that do you think then that

1344
00:55:36,729 --> 00:55:34,009
right now if someone never thought about

1345
00:55:38,769 --> 00:55:36,739
a UFO and they saw a UFO that they would

1346
00:55:41,950 --> 00:55:38,779
think to go online I mean I don't know

1347
00:55:45,190 --> 00:55:41,960
myself I think for the majority of

1348
00:55:47,489 --> 00:55:45,200
people I would guess probably not um I

1349
00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:47,499
do think that you know UFOs are kind of

1350
00:55:51,789 --> 00:55:49,700
coming to the forefront I would say of

1351
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,799
pop culture so I think that probably is

1352
00:55:56,410 --> 00:55:54,079
helping a little bit to make people just

1353
00:55:59,130 --> 00:55:56,420
more aware you know of the phenomenon

1354
00:56:02,109 --> 00:55:59,140
itself I'm sure that it probably is

1355
00:56:03,339 --> 00:56:02,119
maybe around 30% where they first

1356
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:03,349
thought oh I should report this to

1357
00:56:06,999 --> 00:56:05,450
somebody probably all this actually

1358
00:56:08,859 --> 00:56:07,009
right right

1359
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:08,869
um have you yourself ever had any

1360
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:12,410
personal experiences with encounters yes

1361
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:14,569
I have been lucky enough to have several

1362
00:56:23,620 --> 00:56:18,559
different UFO experiences and the first

1363
00:56:25,299 --> 00:56:23,630
one actually was with an orb type UFO of

1364
00:56:26,470 --> 00:56:25,309
course I'm you know basing the

1365
00:56:29,049 --> 00:56:26,480
observation on the fact that was in the

1366
00:56:32,140 --> 00:56:29,059
sky so and this was a really intriguing

1367
00:56:34,809 --> 00:56:32,150
case this was on in March of 2012 I

1368
00:56:37,660 --> 00:56:34,819
believe and there were five other

1369
00:56:40,089 --> 00:56:37,670
witnesses involved we saw these they

1370
00:56:42,819 --> 00:56:40,099
were about basketball sized glowing

1371
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:42,829
orange ish ambarish objects perfectly

1372
00:56:47,979 --> 00:56:44,930
spherical this perfectly kind of even

1373
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:47,989
glow and they were only about two or

1374
00:56:50,859 --> 00:56:49,849
three stories up in the air and they

1375
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:50,869
were just kind of floating I would

1376
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:52,730
actually at an intersection so they are

1377
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:54,319
floating directly over the crossroads

1378
00:56:57,609 --> 00:56:55,670
there were four of these objects moving

1379
00:57:02,200 --> 00:56:57,619
in a perfectly fixed kind of

1380
00:57:04,479 --> 00:57:02,210
parallelogram formation and it was

1381
00:57:06,009 --> 00:57:04,489
really it was just amazing to see them

1382
00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:06,019
because there was absolutely no like

1383
00:57:10,089 --> 00:57:08,059
craft behind them there was nothing

1384
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:10,099
tying them together they were just these

1385
00:57:17,349 --> 00:57:15,170
four perfectly fixed court-like orbs of

1386
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:17,359
light moving all together this amazing

1387
00:57:22,569 --> 00:57:20,480
formation and then slowly one by one

1388
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:22,579
they just started blinking rhythmically

1389
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:23,720
and they blinked faster than they were

1390
00:57:28,269 --> 00:57:26,930
just absolutely gone and it was an

1391
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:28,279
amazing sighting you know in and of

1392
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:29,450
itself but

1393
00:57:32,589 --> 00:57:30,770
my favorite part about this is actually

1394
00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:32,599
the fact that you know we're standing

1395
00:57:35,770 --> 00:57:34,190
there I was with my family at the time

1396
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:35,780
we're watching these things and seeing

1397
00:57:38,500 --> 00:57:37,310
you know after they were gone even just

1398
00:57:41,020 --> 00:57:38,510
kind of looking to see what else might

1399
00:57:42,670 --> 00:57:41,030
be going on all of a sudden this

1400
00:57:45,849 --> 00:57:42,680
neighbor boy who lives across the street

1401
00:57:47,740 --> 00:57:45,859
comes tearing through our yard and he

1402
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,750
just runs through our yard across the

1403
00:57:51,460 --> 00:57:49,040
street into his houses slams the door

1404
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:51,470
and so of course I'm like oh he

1405
00:57:56,099 --> 00:57:54,320
obviously saw him so we all walked over

1406
00:57:58,870 --> 00:57:56,109
knocked on the door like hey you know

1407
00:58:01,390 --> 00:57:58,880
did you happen to see that you know

1408
00:58:03,490 --> 00:58:01,400
those things in the sky and he was like

1409
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:03,500
no you guys don't get it you know I was

1410
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:04,730
at the school playground that's like

1411
00:58:09,430 --> 00:58:06,890
some blocks away it's like these things

1412
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:09,440
came over twice so apparently he was at

1413
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:12,890
this playground and he saw the same you

1414
00:58:17,170 --> 00:58:15,890
know the four or like objects move over

1415
00:58:19,329 --> 00:58:17,180
and he was like okay well they're gone

1416
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:19,339
and then they came over again and that's

1417
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:20,810
when he just absolutely panicked and

1418
00:58:26,859 --> 00:58:23,839
decided to run home and this case was it

1419
00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:26,869
was really just it's hard to explain how

1420
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:28,730
amazing it really was to see these just

1421
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:31,010
like perfectly spherical glowing objects

1422
00:58:34,359 --> 00:58:32,660
um they were not Chinese lanterns at all

1423
00:58:37,089 --> 00:58:34,369
and when they blinked out there was

1424
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:37,099
nothing left and they reward they were

1425
00:58:43,390 --> 00:58:40,300
they were like right kind of between the

1426
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:43,400
power lines just over the street

1427
00:58:48,970 --> 00:58:46,250
and yeah it was just simply amazing so

1428
00:58:50,700 --> 00:58:48,980
that was probably my most dramatic on

1429
00:58:52,630 --> 00:58:50,710
experience with UFOs if that makes sense

1430
00:58:53,980 --> 00:58:52,640
there was another time where I was

1431
00:58:57,730 --> 00:58:53,990
watching a lunar eclipse and this was

1432
00:59:00,250 --> 00:58:57,740
some years ago and all along horizon you

1433
00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:00,260
could kind of see the best description

1434
00:59:05,620 --> 00:59:02,630
of them is these almost bioluminescent

1435
00:59:07,359 --> 00:59:05,630
type objects just really you know you

1436
00:59:09,849 --> 00:59:07,369
can only see the outlines with this like

1437
00:59:12,460 --> 00:59:09,859
bizarre electrical bioluminescent type

1438
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:12,470
sheen kind of dartle darting along the

1439
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:15,170
horizon and so that was very interesting

1440
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:18,290
as well so and then a few times I've

1441
00:59:23,950 --> 00:59:19,730
seen young man during nocturnal lights

1442
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:23,960
and things like that yeah yeah I like I

1443
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:25,970
like to claim that I only had you know

1444
00:59:29,380 --> 00:59:27,200
one sighting that actually got me

1445
00:59:32,050 --> 00:59:29,390
interested in started me doing this show

1446
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,060
but I did have you know something else

1447
00:59:36,940 --> 00:59:35,119
but I just don't it I don't feel

1448
00:59:38,530 --> 00:59:36,950
comfortable enough to say that I had

1449
00:59:39,609 --> 00:59:38,540
another UFO sighting that's how I feel

1450
00:59:41,890 --> 00:59:39,619
about that one

1451
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:41,900
you know it was I thought I was looking

1452
00:59:45,189 --> 00:59:43,609
at the International Space Station I

1453
00:59:47,679 --> 00:59:45,199
don't know I was walking on a golf

1454
00:59:50,380 --> 00:59:47,689
course but it looked like it did a Jag

1455
00:59:52,589 --> 00:59:50,390
and that's what I'm really threw me off

1456
00:59:55,689 --> 00:59:52,599
maybe it didn't maybe it was something

1457
00:59:57,579 --> 00:59:55,699
atmospheric or something like that but

1458
01:00:01,059 --> 00:59:57,589
it was it wasn't a saddle it was really

1459
01:00:02,709 --> 01:00:01,069
big and very very bright so I really do

1460
01:00:06,429 --> 01:00:02,719
think it was probably the International

1461
01:00:08,349 --> 01:00:06,439
Space Station but I just don't I can't

1462
01:00:09,999 --> 01:00:08,359
explain why it kind of Jagd over a

1463
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:10,009
little bit again

1464
01:00:16,179 --> 01:00:13,729
atmospheric I'm guessing so I only have

1465
01:00:18,699 --> 01:00:16,189
one UFO sighting but I will tell you

1466
01:00:20,410 --> 01:00:18,709
that it has changed a lot of things in

1467
01:00:23,609 --> 01:00:20,420
my life and I love doing this show first

1468
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:23,619
of all I think it's fascinating but also

1469
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:26,689
I'm always looking in the sky I never

1470
01:00:29,890 --> 01:00:27,890
did that before

1471
01:00:32,109 --> 01:00:29,900
you know I always like to look up at the

1472
01:00:35,439 --> 01:00:32,119
stars and things like that but now I'm

1473
01:00:38,620 --> 01:00:35,449
looking and yeah and it makes me wonder

1474
01:00:41,019 --> 01:00:38,630
how many people out there never looked

1475
01:00:43,630 --> 01:00:41,029
you know then you have something to go

1476
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:43,640
right over their head and and think they

1477
01:00:51,910 --> 01:00:48,170
never look oh yeah yeah so let's get

1478
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:51,920
back into let's let's go a little bit

1479
01:00:57,370 --> 01:00:55,130
off topic and because I know that you

1480
01:01:00,849 --> 01:00:57,380
looked into this

1481
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:00,859
it was early 1900s and it was some type

1482
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:03,049
of people were seeing this 9-foot tall

1483
01:01:06,849 --> 01:01:05,209
creature and there was some type of

1484
01:01:09,009 --> 01:01:06,859
connection let's let's talk a little bit

1485
01:01:11,979 --> 01:01:09,019
about that I heard you talk about that I

1486
01:01:14,349 --> 01:01:11,989
don't know oh sure you fan meter visitor

1487
01:01:16,449 --> 01:01:14,359
yeah that's it I'm family okay yeah I

1488
01:01:18,370 --> 01:01:16,459
love that case and that was um it was

1489
01:01:20,709 --> 01:01:18,380
really brought to life by Chad Lewis

1490
01:01:24,219 --> 01:01:20,719
Noah Voss and Kevin Wilson on backroads

1491
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:24,229
Lauren and it's an amazing case because

1492
01:01:30,009 --> 01:01:27,650
yeah it was 1903 um late September early

1493
01:01:31,630 --> 01:01:30,019
October when the small town of van Meter

1494
01:01:33,999 --> 01:01:31,640
Iowa which is like 20 minutes away from

1495
01:01:37,479 --> 01:01:34,009
Des Moines I would say started seeing

1496
01:01:42,370 --> 01:01:37,489
this bizarre 9 foot tall weaned entity

1497
01:01:43,959 --> 01:01:42,380
and it's just it's a very I mean it's a

1498
01:01:46,419 --> 01:01:43,969
nine foot tall winged entity it's very

1499
01:01:49,299 --> 01:01:46,429
bizarre uh-huh but it gets even weirder

1500
01:01:51,209 --> 01:01:49,309
because like not only do you have a lot

1501
01:01:53,019 --> 01:01:51,219
of prominent citizens seeing this thing

1502
01:01:54,429 --> 01:01:53,029
but you all

1503
01:01:55,929 --> 01:01:54,439
have their sightings of things in the

1504
01:01:57,339 --> 01:01:55,939
sky at the time as well people were

1505
01:01:59,529 --> 01:01:57,349
seeing bizarre lights and the sky and

1506
01:02:01,390 --> 01:01:59,539
things like that and you know at the

1507
01:02:02,949 --> 01:02:01,400
time they were trying to figure out what

1508
01:02:03,999 --> 01:02:02,959
this thing could possibly be someone

1509
01:02:06,009 --> 01:02:04,009
compounded that it was some sort of

1510
01:02:09,579 --> 01:02:06,019
antediluvian beast like a prehistoric

1511
01:02:11,169 --> 01:02:09,589
most harris or come to life and it

1512
01:02:12,819 --> 01:02:11,179
really is it's just it's another one of

1513
01:02:14,229 --> 01:02:12,829
those cases where for five days this

1514
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:14,239
thing was showing up people are seeing

1515
01:02:18,429 --> 01:02:16,130
it as a matter of fact the bank manager

1516
01:02:21,459 --> 01:02:18,439
because what it started and people were

1517
01:02:22,479 --> 01:02:21,469
seeing the lights in the sky he actually

1518
01:02:23,829 --> 01:02:22,489
thought well maybe this is someone

1519
01:02:26,199 --> 01:02:23,839
trying to break into the bank so he

1520
01:02:29,049 --> 01:02:26,209
would sleep in the bank while this was

1521
01:02:31,529 --> 01:02:29,059
going on well he actually saw the thing

1522
01:02:33,939 --> 01:02:31,539
and shot out the windows of the bank

1523
01:02:37,779 --> 01:02:33,949
after it so I mean this is how seriously

1524
01:02:39,999 --> 01:02:37,789
people were taking this entity um there

1525
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:40,009
was another case where a man this thing

1526
01:02:42,969 --> 01:02:41,359
supposedly it was it was like this night

1527
01:02:45,459 --> 01:02:42,979
with Halloween entity and it had a horn

1528
01:02:47,019 --> 01:02:45,469
which projected some sort of light which

1529
01:02:48,459 --> 01:02:47,029
again is very weird you see this a lot

1530
01:02:49,870 --> 01:02:48,469
we've done different types of paranoia

1531
01:02:52,539 --> 01:02:49,880
entities where that aluminous or have

1532
01:02:55,659 --> 01:02:52,549
some sort of you know lights surrounding

1533
01:02:58,959 --> 01:02:55,669
them um in one particular case the Beast

1534
01:03:01,749 --> 01:02:58,969
kind of exuded some sort of mist and the

1535
01:03:03,789 --> 01:03:01,759
man who observed it had no recollection

1536
01:03:06,789 --> 01:03:03,799
of what happened for the rest of the

1537
01:03:08,709 --> 01:03:06,799
night and you know it's just weird how

1538
01:03:09,909 --> 01:03:08,719
it ends too because apparently they I

1539
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:09,919
mean the whole town it kind of is like

1540
01:03:13,509 --> 01:03:11,839
some sort of like Frankenstein movie the

1541
01:03:15,339 --> 01:03:13,519
whole town got together and organized a

1542
01:03:16,719 --> 01:03:15,349
posse and they're going to try and get

1543
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,729
this thing you know either kill it or

1544
01:03:22,149 --> 01:03:19,039
chased out of town and last time was

1545
01:03:24,159 --> 01:03:22,159
spotted was going into his mine and from

1546
01:03:25,989 --> 01:03:24,169
then on I think there have been a few

1547
01:03:28,689 --> 01:03:25,999
solitary cases and the years that

1548
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:28,699
followed but you know nothing like those

1549
01:03:33,549 --> 01:03:31,729
five days in 1903 and the really

1550
01:03:34,779 --> 01:03:33,559
interesting thing about this is the

1551
01:03:36,729 --> 01:03:34,789
interesting thing about a lot of these

1552
01:03:38,589 --> 01:03:36,739
you know cryptid accounts you'll have

1553
01:03:40,569 --> 01:03:38,599
something show up for a span of a couple

1554
01:03:41,859 --> 01:03:40,579
days or you know a couple weeks in the

1555
01:03:44,349 --> 01:03:41,869
case of the Mothman which is probably

1556
01:03:46,749 --> 01:03:44,359
the longest 13 months and then the

1557
01:03:48,309 --> 01:03:46,759
activity's absolutely drops off and if

1558
01:03:50,649 --> 01:03:48,319
this was some sort of creature if it was

1559
01:03:52,569 --> 01:03:50,659
you know a population then of creatures

1560
01:03:54,759 --> 01:03:52,579
you would assume that it would be in the

1561
01:03:55,959 --> 01:03:54,769
area you know passed that point but

1562
01:04:00,249 --> 01:03:55,969
instead you just have this bizarre

1563
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:00,259
flare-up and then silence that seems to

1564
01:04:05,420 --> 01:04:03,650
happen quite frequently not all the time

1565
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:05,430
but a lot of times you will hear

1566
01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:08,130
about you know not necessarily flap but

1567
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:11,190
something like you know will show up for

1568
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:13,410
a short time and then never again

1569
01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:16,200
well like Mothman and you know where it

1570
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:18,800
originated I know you know in the

1571
01:04:25,490 --> 01:04:21,420
Chicago area there's some type of

1572
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:25,500
strange continuing information just one

1573
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:28,770
thing back on the on this case back in

1574
01:04:34,010 --> 01:04:31,910
1903 and just playing devil's advocate

1575
01:04:35,990 --> 01:04:34,020
do you happen to know if there was any

1576
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:36,000
you know I think of sometimes things

1577
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:39,119
being influenced by pop culture was

1578
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:42,119
there any books or anything out at that

1579
01:04:46,819 --> 01:04:44,730
point that you know sort of talked about

1580
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:46,829
a monster did you has anyone ever talked

1581
01:04:49,819 --> 01:04:48,540
about anything like that you know

1582
01:04:52,370 --> 01:04:49,829
because a lot of times up

1583
01:04:53,839 --> 01:04:52,380
someone will at least look to that and

1584
01:04:56,510 --> 01:04:53,849
say well this is how this manifest

1585
01:04:59,660 --> 01:04:56,520
manifested you know people were reading

1586
01:05:01,730 --> 01:04:59,670
this book has anyone ever thought of any

1587
01:05:03,940 --> 01:05:01,740
looking into anything like that about

1588
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:03,950
that case in particular that you know of

1589
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:06,140
I'm not sure if anyone has really

1590
01:05:10,819 --> 01:05:08,700
particularly looked at that connection I

1591
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:10,829
know that time for a lady to hundreds

1592
01:05:14,359 --> 01:05:12,450
early 1900s you do have kind of the

1593
01:05:16,670 --> 01:05:14,369
birth of science fiction around that

1594
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,680
time so I'm trying to remember when

1595
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:18,180
lakeya the lost world and all that stuff

1596
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:19,740
was published so I mean those thoughts

1597
01:05:24,289 --> 01:05:22,319
were I would say in the public public

1598
01:05:26,660 --> 01:05:24,299
mind I mean especially about priests or

1599
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:26,670
grants leaving East's as to whether that

1600
01:05:33,020 --> 01:05:30,960
is enough to you know Garn that response

1601
01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:33,030
from professional upstanding individuals

1602
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:36,329
in community I don't think so um the

1603
01:05:39,980 --> 01:05:37,619
thing that it doesn't treat me about

1604
01:05:41,930 --> 01:05:39,990
that is that I do think that the

1605
01:05:43,460 --> 01:05:41,940
phenomenon you know this is again

1606
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,470
something very much like heels into you

1607
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:45,359
possess is a sort of reflective

1608
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:49,049
reflexive on quality sometimes and so it

1609
01:05:52,609 --> 01:05:51,000
appears to me at least that in a lot of

1610
01:05:55,930 --> 01:05:52,619
these cases the phenomenon will almost

1611
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:55,940
reflect the predominant interests or

1612
01:06:01,640 --> 01:05:59,579
beliefs of that era so I think there's a

1613
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:01,650
connection we're probably still dealing

1614
01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:03,450
with an anomaly just one that reflected

1615
01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:05,349
that interest of that time

1616
01:06:13,130 --> 01:06:10,630
yeah and what other word is there talk

1617
01:06:16,589 --> 01:06:13,140
about other you know cryptid type

1618
01:06:18,749 --> 01:06:16,599
sightings in say in Wisconsin is there

1619
01:06:20,339 --> 01:06:18,759
ever talking like about Bigfoot or

1620
01:06:23,849 --> 01:06:20,349
anything like that in Wisconsin

1621
01:06:26,609 --> 01:06:23,859
oh yeah Wisconsin has quite the monsters

1622
01:06:29,609 --> 01:06:26,619
history Bigfoot is definitely a presence

1623
01:06:32,339 --> 01:06:29,619
here probably I would say the thing that

1624
01:06:34,380 --> 01:06:32,349
is kind of iconic for Wisconsin is the

1625
01:06:37,019 --> 01:06:34,390
man wolf and again that has a lot to do

1626
01:06:38,279 --> 01:06:37,029
with Linda Godfrey's research on

1627
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:38,289
specifically the beast of Bray Road

1628
01:06:43,739 --> 01:06:41,890
which I'm happen in 1991 and Elkhorn so

1629
01:06:46,499 --> 01:06:43,749
yeah we do have quite a few different

1630
01:06:49,170 --> 01:06:46,509
monsters mammals I like you know again

1631
01:06:51,569 --> 01:06:49,180
very iconic to this state um you also

1632
01:06:54,690 --> 01:06:51,579
have lots of different Lake Monsters and

1633
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:54,700
things like that really and oh yeah

1634
01:06:58,589 --> 01:06:56,650
people are amazed on Lake Monsters there

1635
01:07:00,359 --> 01:06:58,599
is that not so much

1636
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:00,369
yeah not so much recently Lake Monsters

1637
01:07:04,529 --> 01:07:01,690
are another thing that seems almost

1638
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:04,539
firmly rooted in late 1800s to the early

1639
01:07:09,359 --> 01:07:07,599
1900s so there will still be um you know

1640
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,369
cases every now and again sightings

1641
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:11,680
every now and again but really the huge

1642
01:07:15,150 --> 01:07:13,450
time for this was the late 18-hundreds

1643
01:07:17,579 --> 01:07:15,160
and we do have a lot of different legs

1644
01:07:20,130 --> 01:07:17,589
that fall into that pattern I would say

1645
01:07:22,259 --> 01:07:20,140
yeah the thing about it's another thing

1646
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:22,269
similar to what we talked about earlier

1647
01:07:27,269 --> 01:07:24,640
you know people will see these things

1648
01:07:28,890 --> 01:07:27,279
for a short period of time like the Loch

1649
01:07:32,459 --> 01:07:28,900
Ness monster and the most famous of them

1650
01:07:34,229 --> 01:07:32,469
all you know and and they've tried

1651
01:07:37,170 --> 01:07:34,239
everything to try to find something

1652
01:07:40,289 --> 01:07:37,180
there and you know it's just not

1653
01:07:44,459 --> 01:07:40,299
happening so it just it it it makes you

1654
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:44,469
wonder if you know first of all if is if

1655
01:07:49,109 --> 01:07:46,690
there's anything to it you have to think

1656
01:07:53,279 --> 01:07:49,119
that way and then but all the stories

1657
01:07:55,979 --> 01:07:53,289
here there's champion Lake Champlain do

1658
01:07:58,559 --> 01:07:55,989
they have names the ones that out your

1659
01:08:01,799 --> 01:07:58,569
way oh yeah we have Jenni and Lake

1660
01:08:04,529 --> 01:08:01,809
Geneva Pepe and Lake Pepin on bozo I

1661
01:08:06,420 --> 01:08:04,539
think that's Lake Mendota yeah so

1662
01:08:07,829 --> 01:08:06,430
there's a lot of these really cute names

1663
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:07,839
I mean they're absolutely adorable and

1664
01:08:11,999 --> 01:08:10,180
yeah but that's the thing that really I

1665
01:08:14,579 --> 01:08:12,009
feel like actually Lake Monsters may

1666
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:14,589
have been one of the first bricks to

1667
01:08:20,729 --> 01:08:16,480
fall in the wall of like the flesh

1668
01:08:23,490 --> 01:08:20,739
blood cryptozoologist in me because you

1669
01:08:24,900 --> 01:08:23,500
know yes a lake is its can be very large

1670
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:24,910
it can be very difficult to search but

1671
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:26,410
ultimately it's pretty much a closed

1672
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:28,210
ecosystem so if you're looking for a

1673
01:08:32,460 --> 01:08:30,850
giant serpent it started to make less

1674
01:08:34,530 --> 01:08:32,470
and less sense to me that you're only

1675
01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:34,540
seeing it every couple of years you know

1676
01:08:38,370 --> 01:08:36,580
or there was just honestly a lake

1677
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,380
monster flap that occurred in the 8th

1678
01:08:41,970 --> 01:08:40,960
late 1800s um you know if you're looking

1679
01:08:43,890 --> 01:08:41,980
at that from the flesh-and-blood

1680
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:43,900
standpoint if there's one animal you

1681
01:08:48,180 --> 01:08:45,850
have to have a whole population of them

1682
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:48,190
and Lake Monsters that's really kind of

1683
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:49,450
what drove that point home for me

1684
01:08:53,249 --> 01:08:51,310
because you would just think that if

1685
01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:53,259
there was a population of these you know

1686
01:08:57,930 --> 01:08:55,930
large creatures we would be seeing them

1687
01:08:59,760 --> 01:08:57,940
you know more often repeats we'd be

1688
01:09:01,680 --> 01:08:59,770
seeing them more consistently or we'd be

1689
01:09:02,579 --> 01:09:01,690
able to find them at all and that just

1690
01:09:04,620 --> 01:09:02,589
simply was in the keys

1691
01:09:06,059 --> 01:09:04,630
well this that's the same with all the

1692
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:06,069
cryptids if you really think about it

1693
01:09:13,019 --> 01:09:09,960
never any skeletal remains and you know

1694
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:13,029
elusive you know it just seems I can't

1695
01:09:17,130 --> 01:09:14,650
think of any of the the so-called

1696
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:17,140
cryptids as far as Bigfoot and all the

1697
01:09:20,910 --> 01:09:19,210
way down that I've ever heard of where

1698
01:09:23,340 --> 01:09:20,920
there's never been any so-called

1699
01:09:24,690 --> 01:09:23,350
evidence I mean there was there was a

1700
01:09:28,829 --> 01:09:24,700
time where they thought they had some

1701
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:28,839
hair and after DNA tests it ended up I

1702
01:09:34,530 --> 01:09:32,410
believe it ended up being there I'm not

1703
01:09:38,010 --> 01:09:34,540
really sure if if they've ever really

1704
01:09:43,289 --> 01:09:38,020
cracked that I know one person claimed

1705
01:09:45,420 --> 01:09:43,299
that they did but I can't remember I

1706
01:09:47,249 --> 01:09:45,430
think there have been a few anomalous

1707
01:09:48,990 --> 01:09:47,259
hair samples that do fall into you know

1708
01:09:50,970 --> 01:09:49,000
primate but not quite anything that we

1709
01:09:52,590 --> 01:09:50,980
have but that's also the issues until

1710
01:09:54,750 --> 01:09:52,600
you something that you can measure them

1711
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:54,760
against until you do have the body if

1712
01:09:58,380 --> 01:09:56,590
there is a body you're not going to be

1713
01:10:00,960 --> 01:09:58,390
able to say well this is Sasquatch hair

1714
01:10:03,210 --> 01:10:00,970
and that's just you know that's the

1715
01:10:04,530 --> 01:10:03,220
unfortunate thing about that yeah yeah

1716
01:10:06,150 --> 01:10:04,540
you mentioned your mother was really

1717
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:06,160
into this type of thing as she ever

1718
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:09,250
really looked into it deeply or is it

1719
01:10:14,580 --> 01:10:13,300
just kind of topical for her she she's

1720
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:14,590
actually getting more you know I mean

1721
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:16,210
it's one of those things where she was a

1722
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:18,040
stay-at-home mom I've got two little

1723
01:10:21,810 --> 01:10:20,050
sisters and now that we're all you know

1724
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:21,820
pretty much grown my youngest sister's

1725
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:24,340
17 she's looking at what she wants to do

1726
01:10:27,630 --> 01:10:26,440
again and so you know before this she

1727
01:10:29,410 --> 01:10:27,640
worked with the DNR as a field

1728
01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:29,420
archaeologist

1729
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:31,430
you know now that she's yeah now that

1730
01:10:35,650 --> 01:10:33,650
you know she's at this point where she

1731
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,660
can kind of she doesn't need to focus on

1732
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:38,000
taking care of us she's definitely

1733
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:39,650
looking to get more involved in this

1734
01:10:44,650 --> 01:10:43,040
field in particular so yeah I mean and

1735
01:10:46,450 --> 01:10:44,660
she's kept up you know she's interested

1736
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:46,460
in you know everything that I do so

1737
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:48,890
that's awesome and she's kept up to on

1738
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:51,050
her own research I would say she is very

1739
01:10:54,550 --> 01:10:51,980
interested in it

1740
01:10:55,990 --> 01:10:54,560
so before before this whole um no

1741
01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:56,000
quarantine thing not to bring up kind of

1742
01:10:58,090 --> 01:10:56,870
a bummer topic

1743
01:10:59,830 --> 01:10:58,100
she was actually looking at like you

1744
01:11:02,410 --> 01:10:59,840
know the BFRO expeditions and stuff like

1745
01:11:05,710 --> 01:11:02,420
that so yeah yeah there's a lot of

1746
01:11:10,090 --> 01:11:05,720
changes we're all we're all doing at

1747
01:11:16,380 --> 01:11:10,100
this point well alright so you mentioned

1748
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:16,390
earlier that there was some USO

1749
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:19,820
Encounters is that is that in Wisconsin

1750
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:20,930
that you were talking about in

1751
01:11:25,780 --> 01:11:23,570
particular I know that a lot of people

1752
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:25,790
have seen objects going into and coming

1753
01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:29,030
out of the lakes like Michigan is what

1754
01:11:31,630 --> 01:11:30,380
I'm probably most familiar with and

1755
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:31,640
there have been accounts of people

1756
01:11:35,770 --> 01:11:34,130
seeing things in the lake or coming out

1757
01:11:38,710 --> 01:11:35,780
of the lake or especially right near the

1758
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:38,720
lake um so yeah I would say that's I'm a

1759
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:42,320
part of the phenomenon here what is I'm

1760
01:11:46,300 --> 01:11:44,690
sorry I'm sorry something just sent me a

1761
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:46,310
text they wanted me to ask you something

1762
01:11:52,210 --> 01:11:49,910
so go ahead sorry Oh totally fine no

1763
01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:52,220
people um do observe things coming in to

1764
01:11:55,630 --> 01:11:53,990
your um coming out of the lakes

1765
01:11:57,160 --> 01:11:55,640
um specific especially Lake Michigan

1766
01:12:00,220 --> 01:11:57,170
that's long probably most familiar with

1767
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:00,230
closest to it yeah so I think for the

1768
01:12:04,180 --> 01:12:01,850
most part you know there have been I'd

1769
01:12:05,860 --> 01:12:04,190
say it's a blend of like cramp type

1770
01:12:07,630 --> 01:12:05,870
objects in the more soft sightings of

1771
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:07,640
like luminous objects and light ball

1772
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:09,350
phenomenon yeah

1773
01:12:13,870 --> 01:12:11,480
and those lakes are very deep and

1774
01:12:19,210 --> 01:12:13,880
unexplored someone wanted me to ask you

1775
01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:19,220
about UFOs has entities ah so like

1776
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:21,320
biological UFOs yeah that is something

1777
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:23,840
I'm very interested in and again I

1778
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:26,330
haven't East Madison was the first

1779
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:27,590
researcher that really introduced me to

1780
01:12:32,350 --> 01:12:30,890
this concept that with in some cases you

1781
01:12:34,210 --> 01:12:32,360
know I think that we do a lot of times

1782
01:12:36,940 --> 01:12:34,220
it just fits the current model of our

1783
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:36,950
society that we look at UFOs as craft

1784
01:12:41,050 --> 01:12:38,570
you know we look at it as some sort of

1785
01:12:42,610 --> 01:12:41,060
vehicle but the interesting thing is

1786
01:12:43,870 --> 01:12:42,620
that a lot of cases

1787
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:43,880
kind of don't really fall into that

1788
01:12:48,729 --> 01:12:46,489
category and um I know recently people

1789
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:48,739
have been seeing they call me their sky

1790
01:12:53,020 --> 01:12:50,810
mantas are flying jellyfish that's kind

1791
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:53,030
of the biggest I think that's probably

1792
01:12:57,550 --> 01:12:55,010
one of the newest trends in UFO

1793
01:12:59,350 --> 01:12:57,560
sightings and so yeah the concept is

1794
01:13:01,840 --> 01:12:59,360
that there may be some sightings which

1795
01:13:04,420 --> 01:13:01,850
are you know the object in question is a

1796
01:13:05,530 --> 01:13:04,430
living entity of its own accord and

1797
01:13:10,150 --> 01:13:05,540
that's something I'm really interested

1798
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:10,160
in Ivan Sanderson in uninvited visitors

1799
01:13:14,860 --> 01:13:13,130
that was an awesome book he even went so

1800
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:14,870
far I loved Ivan Sanderson because he

1801
01:13:19,930 --> 01:13:17,090
really he wasn't afraid to go to the

1802
01:13:21,490 --> 01:13:19,940
furthest bounds where whatever line of

1803
01:13:24,070 --> 01:13:21,500
reasoning he was on would take him and

1804
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:24,080
in uninvited visitors he went so far as

1805
01:13:28,570 --> 01:13:26,690
to suggest that possibly you know an

1806
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:28,580
extraterrestrial race may have figured

1807
01:13:32,590 --> 01:13:30,530
out how to engineer giant and evil like

1808
01:13:34,209 --> 01:13:32,600
organisms into vehicles which could then

1809
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:34,219
bring them here now I don't know if I

1810
01:13:38,470 --> 01:13:36,590
subscribe to that theory but I do think

1811
01:13:40,090 --> 01:13:38,480
that there are there's a pretty strong

1812
01:13:41,470 --> 01:13:40,100
branch of sightings that falls into a

1813
01:13:44,170 --> 01:13:41,480
category that I would describe as

1814
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:44,180
organic and you know that is a personal

1815
01:13:48,459 --> 01:13:46,070
encounter that I had was some you know

1816
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:48,469
bioluminescent looking things and the

1817
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:49,930
way that they moved in the way that they

1818
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:52,670
looked it was it wasn't what I would

1819
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:55,130
describe as your typical like UFO craft

1820
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:56,690
it wasn't geometric or anything like

1821
01:14:00,700 --> 01:13:58,370
that it was definitely a lot more

1822
01:14:02,860 --> 01:14:00,710
organic I think the really interesting

1823
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:02,870
thing to you that this might correlate

1824
01:14:07,689 --> 01:14:05,690
to is actually angel hair um oh yeah I'm

1825
01:14:09,939 --> 01:14:07,699
yeah I remember seeing that actually

1826
01:14:11,979 --> 01:14:09,949
when I was a kid and it was you know

1827
01:14:16,209 --> 01:14:11,989
just a beautiful like summer day I think

1828
01:14:18,820 --> 01:14:16,219
in probably 2002 if I'm remembering

1829
01:14:20,350 --> 01:14:18,830
right again I was a kid and I was on a

1830
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:20,360
walk my mom and some other family

1831
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:22,010
members all some the stuff starts

1832
01:14:27,580 --> 01:14:24,890
drifting out of the sky and you know

1833
01:14:28,570 --> 01:14:27,590
there is a lot of misidentified accounts

1834
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:28,580
where it is just like bullying and

1835
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:29,810
spiders and stuff like that but then

1836
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:31,250
there are these really anomalous

1837
01:14:34,900 --> 01:14:33,170
accounts where it is just you know

1838
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:34,910
something that we really can't identify

1839
01:14:39,490 --> 01:14:37,489
and it's something that's always been

1840
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,500
like you know what is that to me was

1841
01:14:42,939 --> 01:14:41,600
always kind of indefinable you know

1842
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:42,949
especially when I was going at this from

1843
01:14:47,290 --> 01:14:45,770
like ghosts of cryptids and UFOs

1844
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:47,300
angel-hair was always kind of just

1845
01:14:50,890 --> 01:14:49,370
floating around quite literally and I

1846
01:14:52,930 --> 01:14:50,900
didn't really know what to make then and

1847
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:52,940
I think that if you you know bring up

1848
01:14:57,380 --> 01:14:55,050
this concept of biological UFO

1849
01:14:59,420 --> 01:14:57,390
you know I could kind of see where that

1850
01:15:01,360 --> 01:14:59,430
might tie into that that it might be you

1851
01:15:03,860 --> 01:15:01,370
know either

1852
01:15:04,820 --> 01:15:03,870
actual like body parts of these things

1853
01:15:07,010 --> 01:15:04,830
that we're like thinking about that

1854
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:07,020
almost as like a lot of descriptions are

1855
01:15:12,260 --> 01:15:08,970
almost giant jellyfish like tight

1856
01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:12,270
entities you know or something like that

1857
01:15:16,220 --> 01:15:14,550
or possibly even like some sort of

1858
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:16,230
discharge that they have I don't know

1859
01:15:20,930 --> 01:15:18,990
but because it is it's very you know I

1860
01:15:22,430 --> 01:15:20,940
don't think any actual samples another

1861
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:22,440
been taken of it because I need temp to

1862
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:24,330
gather this angel hair it just

1863
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:26,640
absolutely evaporates well no there was

1864
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:29,760
it there was a case where a woman had a

1865
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:32,130
UFO encounter and it was on the trees

1866
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:34,650
and they did take samples I don't I

1867
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:36,810
don't remember this is something I've

1868
01:15:41,330 --> 01:15:39,050
talked about on the show with someone

1869
01:15:43,250 --> 01:15:41,340
you know a number of years ago but I do

1870
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:43,260
remember that and I think you could

1871
01:15:47,060 --> 01:15:45,420
probably do some research on that but I

1872
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,070
don't know whatever became of the

1873
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:48,960
samples but it was actually you know

1874
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:50,970
filtered down on the trees after her

1875
01:15:55,820 --> 01:15:53,370
sighting that she had I be very

1876
01:15:58,880 --> 01:15:55,830
interested to hear about yeah yeah I had

1877
01:16:01,940 --> 01:15:58,890
a guest on the show that actually said

1878
01:16:04,460 --> 01:16:01,950
that you know she claims that she was

1879
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:04,470
actually abducted and that she felt like

1880
01:16:11,330 --> 01:16:08,520
the craft that she was on was biological

1881
01:16:13,100 --> 01:16:11,340
she said I don't know how I knew but I I

1882
01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:13,110
felt as though it was something living

1883
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:16,170
which is bizarre you know I've been kind

1884
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:18,930
of on the fence about that a lot of

1885
01:16:23,540 --> 01:16:20,730
times about you know abductions and

1886
01:16:25,820 --> 01:16:23,550
things like that but but it was so again

1887
01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:25,830
it's still interesting to hear about you

1888
01:16:30,170 --> 01:16:28,470
know line between living organisms and

1889
01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:30,180
non living organisms in the UFO

1890
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:31,500
phenomena is very interesting because

1891
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:32,490
that of course too you have the

1892
01:16:36,890 --> 01:16:35,130
abductees who claim that the actual

1893
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,900
entities that they came to contact with

1894
01:16:40,700 --> 01:16:38,640
didn't feel like they were alive like

1895
01:16:42,140 --> 01:16:40,710
they were drones or something yeah so it

1896
01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:42,150
is interesting how there's kind of like

1897
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:44,520
you know things that should feel alive

1898
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:46,260
should feel sentient don't and things

1899
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:48,090
that shouldn't do I'm you know it's very

1900
01:16:53,690 --> 01:16:51,540
interesting yeah I found out just before

1901
01:16:55,550 --> 01:16:53,700
this show I I don't know if I actually

1902
01:16:57,650 --> 01:16:55,560
spoke to you about this but just before

1903
01:17:02,990 --> 01:16:57,660
the show we found out that the phone

1904
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:03,000
system is actually down at @kg RA but I

1905
01:17:07,940 --> 01:17:06,150
would like to offer our phone

1906
01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:07,950
out there for Skype it's just a little

1907
01:17:13,310 --> 01:17:11,250
clunky no screener so you're going to go

1908
01:17:16,190 --> 01:17:13,320
in live if you call but let me get that

1909
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:16,200
number up here in just a minute and four

1910
01:17:21,860 --> 01:17:18,930
people over at K GRA that number is six

1911
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:21,870
oh three nine six seven four zero three

1912
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:23,370
zero I'm the one who's gonna be

1913
01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:25,650
answering the call you'll go into the

1914
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:28,950
show live so again that number is six oh

1915
01:17:34,940 --> 01:17:33,450
three nine six seven four oh three oh

1916
01:17:37,220 --> 01:17:34,950
and I'll put that right up on the screen

1917
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:37,230
as well if anyone would like to call in

1918
01:17:43,790 --> 01:17:41,120
and ask our guest some questions so

1919
01:17:46,250 --> 01:17:43,800
weird have you ever thought of actually

1920
01:17:49,220 --> 01:17:46,260
doing any writing on this on this

1921
01:17:51,350 --> 01:17:49,230
subject to yourself oh yes that's kind

1922
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:51,360
of a long-term goal of mine is on

1923
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,360
writing a book on it I'm thinking you

1924
01:17:57,800 --> 01:17:56,640
see I am I'm just so interested all

1925
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:57,810
these different aspects that pinning

1926
01:18:00,290 --> 01:17:58,920
down what I want to start with is

1927
01:18:03,650 --> 01:18:00,300
probably going to be the trickiest thing

1928
01:18:05,950 --> 01:18:03,660
oh yeah I will tell you I don't I know

1929
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:05,960
there is someone that writes a book

1930
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:10,320
basically UFOs over la UFOs over

1931
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:12,570
such-and-such I don't believe there's

1932
01:18:18,350 --> 01:18:14,330
any anyone's ever written UFOs over

1933
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,360
Wisconsin so there you go there is your

1934
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:20,400
sconce and by no loss which is pretty

1935
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:22,770
great but oh there is there actually is

1936
01:18:28,010 --> 01:18:26,970
a book there is just one yeah oh well I

1937
01:18:29,870 --> 01:18:28,020
mean there it goes that way there's

1938
01:18:32,450 --> 01:18:29,880
always more UFO sightings yeah you know

1939
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:32,460
yeah well I never knew that existed I'm

1940
01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:33,120
sorry about that

1941
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,150
oh absolutely me I'm talking with the

1942
01:18:41,540 --> 01:18:38,640
idea of writing on actually UFO clothes

1943
01:18:44,090 --> 01:18:41,550
UFO occupants is kind of my current

1944
01:18:46,970 --> 01:18:44,100
research project so cuz that's something

1945
01:18:50,570 --> 01:18:46,980
that really is intriguing to me I don't

1946
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:50,580
think anybody has ever really touched

1947
01:18:56,900 --> 01:18:53,930
that subject there's interesting

1948
01:18:59,570 --> 01:18:56,910
accounts going you know for instance in

1949
01:19:02,750 --> 01:18:59,580
the blog that we have the Socorro

1950
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:02,760
incident they look like little children

1951
01:19:08,630 --> 01:19:05,880
in little white coveralls and a lot of

1952
01:19:10,370 --> 01:19:08,640
people talk about well you must have

1953
01:19:12,050 --> 01:19:10,380
looked into this what are some of the

1954
01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:12,060
different things that people are saying

1955
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:13,890
that they're actually seeing when they

1956
01:19:19,070 --> 01:19:17,310
see a being well the interest what

1957
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:19,080
really started this whole line of reason

1958
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:20,460
who was actually on the flat

1959
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:22,530
it's monster because and there's a lot

1960
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:23,610
of different theories as to what that

1961
01:19:27,860 --> 01:19:25,650
could potentially be but if you look at

1962
01:19:29,780 --> 01:19:27,870
it as you know possibly some sort of

1963
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:29,790
entity mom it was seeing with the crash

1964
01:19:33,470 --> 01:19:32,040
UFO what stood out to me is that this is

1965
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:33,480
exactly what we should be expecting is

1966
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:36,360
some sort of very robotic or drone type

1967
01:19:40,520 --> 01:19:39,600
entity and you know because if we're

1968
01:19:43,220 --> 01:19:40,530
looking at these things as

1969
01:19:44,540 --> 01:19:43,230
extraterrestrial biological beings you

1970
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:44,550
know no matter how advanced their

1971
01:19:48,170 --> 01:19:46,410
technology is it just really doesn't

1972
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:48,180
follow that they would come on

1973
01:19:52,130 --> 01:19:50,489
unprotected them prepared you know I

1974
01:19:54,410 --> 01:19:52,140
would be expecting to see ya like hazmat

1975
01:19:57,020 --> 01:19:54,420
suit spacesuits things like that but

1976
01:19:58,850 --> 01:19:57,030
instead we really don't see that very

1977
01:20:00,830 --> 01:19:58,860
often every now and again I know that

1978
01:20:03,170 --> 01:20:00,840
the diving suit type description that

1979
01:20:05,330 --> 01:20:03,180
was big for quite some time especially

1980
01:20:07,190 --> 01:20:05,340
in like the 50s to the 60s and 70s I

1981
01:20:08,690 --> 01:20:07,200
feel like but a lot of the times these

1982
01:20:11,810 --> 01:20:08,700
entities are observed in things like

1983
01:20:13,340 --> 01:20:11,820
coveralls or like in the Simonton

1984
01:20:15,470 --> 01:20:13,350
encounter I mean turtlenecks suits and

1985
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:15,480
little knit caps you know you see a lot

1986
01:20:19,330 --> 01:20:16,890
of descriptions too that correlate to

1987
01:20:21,979 --> 01:20:19,340
the older fairy lore on specifically

1988
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:21,989
little calves tunics things like that

1989
01:20:28,430 --> 01:20:25,290
Shining material and so it's just

1990
01:20:30,770 --> 01:20:28,440
intriguing to me that really this can't

1991
01:20:32,350 --> 01:20:30,780
really neatly fit the idea that these

1992
01:20:34,729 --> 01:20:32,360
are entities for the other planet

1993
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:34,739
because most of the time in along these

1994
01:20:38,390 --> 01:20:36,210
encounters there's no type of physical

1995
01:20:40,459 --> 01:20:38,400
protection there's no breathing

1996
01:20:41,959 --> 01:20:40,469
apparatus or anything like that so

1997
01:20:44,510 --> 01:20:41,969
that's something interesting to me and

1998
01:20:47,180 --> 01:20:44,520
then to kind of the segue that that help

1999
01:20:48,530 --> 01:20:47,190
the segments that that opens up is what

2000
01:20:49,940 --> 01:20:48,540
could it possibly mean you know I feel

2001
01:20:53,780 --> 01:20:49,950
like in a lot of these cases there's

2002
01:20:55,790 --> 01:20:53,790
almost a symbolic aspect to what's being

2003
01:20:57,129 --> 01:20:55,800
present and that's right really like to

2004
01:20:59,590 --> 01:20:57,139
try and figure out

2005
01:21:02,500 --> 01:20:59,600
yeah you know we had a conversation I

2006
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:02,510
think maybe two weeks ago on this show

2007
01:21:06,580 --> 01:21:04,190
about you know one of the things I

2008
01:21:09,250 --> 01:21:06,590
brought up is it's like in Independence

2009
01:21:12,100 --> 01:21:09,260
Day or other movies where there's a

2010
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:12,110
virus you know here we are now with this

2011
01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:14,840
virus that we're dealing with but but we

2012
01:21:21,399 --> 01:21:19,400
have many many immunities to thousands

2013
01:21:24,399 --> 01:21:21,409
of viruses in our body that we're used

2014
01:21:26,979 --> 01:21:24,409
to and if you if a being goes into a new

2015
01:21:28,359 --> 01:21:26,989
atmosphere you know they're asking for

2016
01:21:31,540 --> 01:21:28,369
trouble I mean look what happened when

2017
01:21:33,790 --> 01:21:31,550
the yeah you know Europeans you know I

2018
01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:33,800
went to Mexico and millions of people

2019
01:21:40,330 --> 01:21:37,100
died because they were not immune to the

2020
01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:40,340
diseases they carry exactly so that is

2021
01:21:47,109 --> 01:21:43,040
that is always a puzzle maybe they're

2022
01:21:50,290 --> 01:21:47,119
not actually breathing or yeah or they

2023
01:21:52,750 --> 01:21:50,300
have some type of protection but but

2024
01:21:58,540 --> 01:21:52,760
what are the is there when you've looked

2025
01:22:00,280 --> 01:21:58,550
into this is there a more common garb

2026
01:22:01,689 --> 01:22:00,290
that they wear you know I mean is there

2027
01:22:04,689 --> 01:22:01,699
is it a lot of times you hear

2028
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,699
tight-fitting and no type of suits or

2029
01:22:09,370 --> 01:22:06,080
something like that that people are

2030
01:22:11,500 --> 01:22:09,380
claiming they see yeah I would say just

2031
01:22:17,649 --> 01:22:11,510
on the face of it some sort of cover all

2032
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:17,659
is probably the most common and you know

2033
01:22:20,140 --> 01:22:19,040
that brings up other intriguing things

2034
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:20,150
because a lot of them you know met in

2035
01:22:24,490 --> 01:22:23,030
black encounter some those kind of you

2036
01:22:25,930 --> 01:22:24,500
know and again some of the many black

2037
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:25,940
instances may have been government

2038
01:22:29,919 --> 01:22:27,290
authorities or something like that

2039
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:29,929
but some of the weird ones even describe

2040
01:22:33,310 --> 01:22:31,520
these entities is wearing coveralls so

2041
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:33,320
kind of a cross because then to the

2042
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:34,610
springs in the funny concept of the

2043
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:36,050
different types of entities are the

2044
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:37,790
humanoid are they not exactly humanoid

2045
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:39,650
but I would say they cross the board the

2046
01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:42,110
coverall type outfit is probably the

2047
01:22:47,890 --> 01:22:45,080
most common and it does I feel like it

2048
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:47,900
does kind of there's almost trends with

2049
01:22:51,939 --> 01:22:50,000
it and things that shift you know kind

2050
01:22:53,140 --> 01:22:51,949
of as our culture shoes and so again I

2051
01:22:54,970 --> 01:22:53,150
think that there is some sort of

2052
01:22:57,660 --> 01:22:54,980
reflective nature to a lot of these

2053
01:23:00,510 --> 01:22:57,670
different types of paranormal phenomena

2054
01:23:02,370 --> 01:23:00,520
yeah um you know one of the one of the

2055
01:23:05,130 --> 01:23:02,380
things I think about is and you know

2056
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:05,140
correct me if I'm wrong but our people

2057
01:23:09,930 --> 01:23:07,030
never talk about when they see with a

2058
01:23:12,660 --> 01:23:09,940
claim they see grace you know gray

2059
01:23:15,780 --> 01:23:12,670
aliens or whatever they are there

2060
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:15,790
they're not dressed are they I mean for

2061
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:17,290
the most part they're usually described

2062
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:19,930
as yet having no clothing on and that's

2063
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,310
another weird thing too because another

2064
01:23:25,140 --> 01:23:23,440
really common description that you see

2065
01:23:28,710 --> 01:23:25,150
with that is that people almost feel

2066
01:23:30,750 --> 01:23:28,720
like the gray is the outfit um which

2067
01:23:32,370 --> 01:23:30,760
must be very unsettling for people who

2068
01:23:35,010 --> 01:23:32,380
are experiencing something already very

2069
01:23:37,950 --> 01:23:35,020
out of the ordinary to them be presented

2070
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:37,960
with you know this entity which is by

2071
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:39,310
all accounts some sort of living

2072
01:23:42,330 --> 01:23:41,290
creature they get the feeling that it

2073
01:23:44,220 --> 01:23:42,340
really isn't

2074
01:23:45,660 --> 01:23:44,230
I mean again that kind of goes into the

2075
01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:45,670
non-sentient question that we talked

2076
01:23:52,530 --> 01:23:49,750
about yeah so like uh like no emotion or

2077
01:23:54,260 --> 01:23:52,540
something like that but you know I know

2078
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:54,270
if you looked into the Pascagoula

2079
01:24:00,330 --> 01:23:57,760
incident a little bit and Calvin

2080
01:24:03,300 --> 01:24:00,340
Parker's actually I'm in touch with him

2081
01:24:04,530 --> 01:24:03,310
all the time he's a great guy and he

2082
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:04,540
kind of experience you know his

2083
01:24:10,020 --> 01:24:07,690
experience was that you know one

2084
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:10,030
he said seemed like the female and

2085
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:13,690
seemed you know like personable sort of

2086
01:24:19,650 --> 01:24:16,810
and the other seemed like you know a

2087
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:19,660
drone like a beam B drone or something

2088
01:24:25,170 --> 01:24:21,970
like they were just doing their their

2089
01:24:27,900 --> 01:24:25,180
thing that's episod bizarre case you see

2090
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:27,910
that a lot I would say and you know even

2091
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:29,290
gets more interesting when somebody's

2092
01:24:34,140 --> 01:24:31,810
fall into again the very old fairy lore

2093
01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:34,150
the fairy queen kind of makes an

2094
01:24:37,380 --> 01:24:35,380
appearance in some of these abduction

2095
01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:37,390
cases where there is a tall typically

2096
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:39,640
feminine entity that stands apart from

2097
01:24:43,530 --> 01:24:41,890
the drones that are doing the work but

2098
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:43,540
that does that goes back to variable

2099
01:24:47,460 --> 01:24:45,370
traditions where you do you have kind of

2100
01:24:49,860 --> 01:24:47,470
more English and goblin type creatures

2101
01:24:51,810 --> 01:24:49,870
and then this beautiful fairy queen um

2102
01:24:54,810 --> 01:24:51,820
and you know on the Facebook that just

2103
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:54,820
really you know it's very confusing it

2104
01:24:58,500 --> 01:24:56,800
doesn't make a lot of sense and that's

2105
01:25:00,150 --> 01:24:58,510
those are the things that just really

2106
01:25:02,250 --> 01:25:00,160
stand out are incredibly interesting to

2107
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:02,260
you yeah it almost seems that when you

2108
01:25:06,170 --> 01:25:04,030
talk about it that way it almost seems

2109
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:06,180
like the whole thing could be folklore

2110
01:25:12,390 --> 01:25:09,490
however you know Calvin and

2111
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:12,400
I think that that case has an extreme

2112
01:25:18,540 --> 01:25:15,610
amount of merit you know from you know

2113
01:25:20,010 --> 01:25:18,550
basically from when they were recorded

2114
01:25:21,450 --> 01:25:20,020
at the police station when they didn't

2115
01:25:24,180 --> 01:25:21,460
know they were being recorded I think

2116
01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:24,190
that's probably the most solidifying

2117
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:27,340
part of that case you know yeah it is

2118
01:25:31,290 --> 01:25:30,010
between the two of them yeah it's just

2119
01:25:33,660 --> 01:25:31,300
two people trying to rationalize

2120
01:25:35,070 --> 01:25:33,670
something that really you know I'm not

2121
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:35,080
gonna say it's impossible to rationalize

2122
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:38,590
but it's very difficult yeah so yeah and

2123
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:40,360
that's that's the interesting thing too

2124
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,070
is I feel like you know there are

2125
01:25:47,070 --> 01:25:44,800
definite folkloric strains that run

2126
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:47,080
through this phenomenon that isn't to

2127
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:49,360
say that it didn't happen you know or

2128
01:25:52,590 --> 01:25:50,770
that it doesn't have a reality I think

2129
01:25:55,500 --> 01:25:52,600
that there's a very real phenomenon

2130
01:25:57,210 --> 01:25:55,510
occurring across all the paranormal on

2131
01:26:00,090 --> 01:25:57,220
and probably a bunch of different types

2132
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:00,100
of phenomena that are occurring and it's

2133
01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:01,330
just it's interesting to see when

2134
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:02,680
they're patterning is kind of reflect

2135
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:04,810
these folkloric strains that we have in

2136
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:06,850
our culture yeah

2137
01:26:13,380 --> 01:26:09,790
that's one of the things I know that you

2138
01:26:15,900 --> 01:26:13,390
did a little bit of a talk on which is

2139
01:26:18,180 --> 01:26:15,910
totally out of the UFO field and we're

2140
01:26:20,250 --> 01:26:18,190
so anyone can call in that number again

2141
01:26:25,740 --> 01:26:20,260
is six oh three nine six seven four OH

2142
01:26:29,310 --> 01:26:25,750
three oh and that was the pacheco the

2143
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:29,320
Chicot fire the fire Oh Peshtigo fire

2144
01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:31,390
how do you pronounce that I'm sorry I

2145
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:33,700
would just read it yeah absolutely fine

2146
01:26:39,390 --> 01:26:37,840
Peshtigo has sheikah fire yeah so no one

2147
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:39,400
not really not too many people know

2148
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:39,970
about that

2149
01:26:43,320 --> 01:26:41,410
you know they know about the Chicago

2150
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:43,330
Fire this happened

2151
01:26:47,310 --> 01:26:45,130
basically there's been a lot of

2152
01:26:49,950 --> 01:26:47,320
speculation over the last several years

2153
01:26:52,440 --> 01:26:49,960
I know this is totally off the UFO topic

2154
01:26:54,060 --> 01:26:52,450
but I find it fascinating his uh you

2155
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:54,070
know it wasn't the cow that tipped over

2156
01:26:59,550 --> 01:26:56,820
the lantern something else was going on

2157
01:27:01,890 --> 01:26:59,560
so can you explain what that fire was

2158
01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:01,900
exactly yeah absolutely the Peshtigo

2159
01:27:06,270 --> 01:27:04,690
fire um actually it occurred on the

2160
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:06,280
exact same day it was all part of a

2161
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:08,170
series of fires that were occurring

2162
01:27:12,990 --> 01:27:10,570
across the Midwest in the Great Lakes

2163
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:13,000
region on the same day as the Chicago

2164
01:27:17,610 --> 01:27:15,130
Fire and the truth is is that you know

2165
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:17,620
even in Wisconsin I would say a lot of

2166
01:27:22,170 --> 01:27:20,320
people absolutely don't know about it

2167
01:27:22,730 --> 01:27:22,180
and the interesting thing is that about

2168
01:27:24,290 --> 01:27:22,740
four times

2169
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:24,300
as many people died in the Peshtigo fire

2170
01:27:29,690 --> 01:27:27,210
alone as in Chicago but Chicago of

2171
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:29,700
course is what's remembered and yeah

2172
01:27:34,460 --> 01:27:32,910
it's just there's a lot of just you know

2173
01:27:36,890 --> 01:27:34,470
it's still not entirely sure exactly

2174
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:36,900
what started these fires and if there

2175
01:27:40,100 --> 01:27:38,310
are you know many explanations which

2176
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:40,110
could have been natural at the same time

2177
01:27:42,860 --> 01:27:41,370
there's also a lot of weirdness that was

2178
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:42,870
occurring at the time apparently there

2179
01:27:46,910 --> 01:27:44,490
are some eyewitness accounts from the

2180
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,920
Peshtigo fire of great fireballs in the

2181
01:27:51,260 --> 01:27:49,440
sky at the time of course before we

2182
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:51,270
really understood the age of comets

2183
01:27:57,380 --> 01:27:54,560
because this occurred in 1871

2184
01:27:59,750 --> 01:27:57,390
people actually chalked it up to a comet

2185
01:28:01,820 --> 01:27:59,760
or meteor starting this fires it passed

2186
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,830
too close to the earth so there is

2187
01:28:05,180 --> 01:28:03,840
definitely room for something and almost

2188
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:05,190
have happened as to whether that is the

2189
01:28:10,100 --> 01:28:08,610
case definitively I'm not sure but yeah

2190
01:28:12,980 --> 01:28:10,110
with Peshtigo - there's a lot of weird

2191
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:12,990
stuff - with places that didn't burn

2192
01:28:16,550 --> 01:28:15,060
apparently there was a chapel that was

2193
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:16,560
completely untouched and things like

2194
01:28:23,150 --> 01:28:19,650
that so in what scenario was that a city

2195
01:28:26,300 --> 01:28:23,160
actually it was yeah it was near Green

2196
01:28:28,370 --> 01:28:26,310
Bay actually so it was very rural and

2197
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:28,380
the fact that I mean the actual death

2198
01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:30,450
count is not entirely known but it was

2199
01:28:34,850 --> 01:28:32,760
somewhere between 1500 and 2500 people

2200
01:28:37,820 --> 01:28:34,860
so if I'm there with how many deaths it

2201
01:28:39,860 --> 01:28:37,830
was just absolutely decimated and yet it

2202
01:28:41,750 --> 01:28:39,870
is it's very much I would say unknown

2203
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:41,760
you can even in Wisconsin because you're

2204
01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:43,770
the Chicago Fire and the cow keeping

2205
01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:45,000
over the land maybe that's definitely

2206
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:46,950
what people think of but and then - I

2207
01:28:50,270 --> 01:28:48,000
think there were even some fires

2208
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:50,280
occurring in Michigan in that same day

2209
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:51,930
as well I actually heard that it went

2210
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:54,660
all the way up to Canada I don't you

2211
01:29:02,660 --> 01:28:57,210
ever heard about that or not but I know

2212
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:02,670
Michigan and you know it's up and a

2213
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:05,730
meteorite is not gonna start a fire as

2214
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:07,650
far as I know I've never heard of that

2215
01:29:12,770 --> 01:29:09,450
happening at all I mean they burn out

2216
01:29:15,290 --> 01:29:12,780
usually when they hit there they're not

2217
01:29:18,500 --> 01:29:15,300
burning at that time I don't believe you

2218
01:29:20,090 --> 01:29:18,510
know maybe I'm wrong maybe but I wonder

2219
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:20,100
if they're ever gonna figure that out

2220
01:29:23,210 --> 01:29:21,450
because I know there's a lot of people

2221
01:29:26,060 --> 01:29:23,220
looking into it I read something only

2222
01:29:27,740 --> 01:29:26,070
two years ago about it or so something

2223
01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:27,750
yeah I know

2224
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:29,850
now the meteorite thing I really don't

2225
01:29:34,430 --> 01:29:31,770
think is entirely plausible especially

2226
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:34,440
because you know survivors of Peshtigo

2227
01:29:36,530 --> 01:29:35,880
fire actually claimed that it felt like

2228
01:29:38,330 --> 01:29:36,540
the air

2229
01:29:41,770 --> 01:29:38,340
just incinerating people there is even

2230
01:29:45,140 --> 01:29:41,780
account that a family tried to escape by

2231
01:29:47,420 --> 01:29:45,150
getting all of their like blankets and

2232
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:47,430
sheets and stuff wet in the river and

2233
01:29:50,090 --> 01:29:48,720
then lying in a field because of course

2234
01:29:51,730 --> 01:29:50,100
the people who went into the river many

2235
01:29:54,830 --> 01:29:51,740
of them actually died from hypothermia

2236
01:29:57,740 --> 01:29:54,840
well it was just a tragedy but this

2237
01:29:59,690 --> 01:29:57,750
family you know got their blades and

2238
01:30:01,280 --> 01:29:59,700
things in the river and then laid in the

2239
01:30:04,190 --> 01:30:01,290
field thinking that they could kind of

2240
01:30:05,450 --> 01:30:04,200
just survive like that and it an

2241
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:05,460
eyewitness account claimed that it

2242
01:30:10,850 --> 01:30:06,810
looked like this fireball actually

2243
01:30:13,430 --> 01:30:10,860
directed itself at them and they burst

2244
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:13,440
into flame so again it's a very weird

2245
01:30:18,020 --> 01:30:16,290
very tragic thing that happened yeah I

2246
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:18,030
just tried to join a call a caller you

2247
01:30:29,330 --> 01:30:22,250
on the line didn't come through okay so

2248
01:30:32,570 --> 01:30:29,340
about call are you there okay I would

2249
01:30:34,700 --> 01:30:32,580
just say if you're listening I'm sure

2250
01:30:36,260 --> 01:30:34,710
you are try to call in I'll try to join

2251
01:30:39,260 --> 01:30:36,270
you to the call again

2252
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:39,270
so our call screening and all that

2253
01:30:49,490 --> 01:30:43,530
should be up next week hopefully and and

2254
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:49,500
again that number is 603 967 403 Oh have

2255
01:30:55,550 --> 01:30:53,250
you also you said have you you have red

2256
01:31:00,380 --> 01:30:55,560
shark valet I'm sure if you've read

2257
01:31:02,440 --> 01:31:00,390
about UFOs in general is he up there as

2258
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:02,450
far as one of your favorite authors oh

2259
01:31:09,020 --> 01:31:06,090
yes yeah I would say on I mean it's hard

2260
01:31:11,450 --> 01:31:09,030
to choose favorites but current favorite

2261
01:31:13,490 --> 01:31:11,460
researchers it's probably I mean John

2262
01:31:16,010 --> 01:31:13,500
keel has had a huge effect on how I look

2263
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:16,020
at things um it was really I read

2264
01:31:19,730 --> 01:31:17,970
Mothman Prophecies but really changed my

2265
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:19,740
mind on how I look at this phenomena was

2266
01:31:24,620 --> 01:31:22,290
probably a toss-up between operation

2267
01:31:25,940 --> 01:31:24,630
Trojan horse in the 8th tower on which I

2268
01:31:28,730 --> 01:31:25,950
read shortly thereafter mocking

2269
01:31:32,210 --> 01:31:28,740
prophecies um so yeah John keel Jacques

2270
01:31:34,490 --> 01:31:32,220
Vallee Ivan Sanderson yeah those are all

2271
01:31:36,530 --> 01:31:34,500
those are probably my three like main

2272
01:31:38,210 --> 01:31:36,540
influences and then of course you know

2273
01:31:40,250 --> 01:31:38,220
my early influences Linda Godfrey and

2274
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:40,260
Chad Lewis just had a profound effect on

2275
01:31:44,879 --> 01:31:42,510
my life so yeah I mean I haven't really

2276
01:31:48,899 --> 01:31:44,889
grown up in this field what that makes

2277
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,909
yeah what what is the Trojan horse book

2278
01:31:53,569 --> 01:31:50,800
actually is that about a certain

2279
01:31:57,149 --> 01:31:53,579
incident or is that something else

2280
01:31:59,189 --> 01:31:57,159
operation Trojan horse is oh my gosh I

2281
01:32:00,779 --> 01:31:59,199
talked me to say my favorite UFO book

2282
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:00,789
but it might actually be my favorite UFO

2283
01:32:06,569 --> 01:32:04,570
book um and so it is it's very expansive

2284
01:32:08,909 --> 01:32:06,579
it covers so much material it's about

2285
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:08,919
you know tons of different accounts of

2286
01:32:15,689 --> 01:32:12,610
UFOs and related phenomena that John

2287
01:32:17,459 --> 01:32:15,699
keel wrote so highly recommended if

2288
01:32:20,759 --> 01:32:17,469
anyone is interested in Kiehl's work or

2289
01:32:23,009 --> 01:32:20,769
UFOs in general alright I just want to

2290
01:32:27,839 --> 01:32:23,019
see if there's any questions over in the

2291
01:32:31,620 --> 01:32:27,849
chat and let's see also you looked into

2292
01:32:35,310 --> 01:32:31,630
the airship flap back in 1896 1897

2293
01:32:37,469 --> 01:32:35,320
that's also a very fascinating topic as

2294
01:32:41,540 --> 01:32:37,479
well I believe I think that's really

2295
01:32:43,919 --> 01:32:41,550
interesting oh yeah that's see that's a

2296
01:32:45,029 --> 01:32:43,929
period time where I just feel like

2297
01:32:46,469 --> 01:32:45,039
because again I'm looking at this

2298
01:32:47,669 --> 01:32:46,479
phenomenon now almost from the

2299
01:32:49,229 --> 01:32:47,679
standpoint of what are the belief

2300
01:32:51,179 --> 01:32:49,239
systems about it as well because I feel

2301
01:32:52,649 --> 01:32:51,189
like there is kind of a give-and-take on

2302
01:32:54,929 --> 01:32:52,659
the phenomenon and what people perceive

2303
01:32:56,729 --> 01:32:54,939
about it and the amazing thing with the

2304
01:32:58,709 --> 01:32:56,739
airships is that I really feel like it's

2305
01:33:01,109 --> 01:32:58,719
almost kind of like you know a fairy

2306
01:33:02,879 --> 01:33:01,119
lore and our current extra-terrestrial

2307
01:33:05,399 --> 01:33:02,889
hypothesis are two sides of the same

2308
01:33:07,020 --> 01:33:05,409
coin of this phenomenon the airship flap

2309
01:33:08,729 --> 01:33:07,030
is really kind of like the edge of that

2310
01:33:10,679 --> 01:33:08,739
coin because you have a very distinct

2311
01:33:13,859 --> 01:33:10,689
set of beliefs about what people are

2312
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:13,869
seeing and you know the flap of 1896 97

2313
01:33:16,649 --> 01:33:15,010
has all the hallmarks of like a

2314
01:33:18,029 --> 01:33:16,659
modern-day flap you have tons of

2315
01:33:20,399 --> 01:33:18,039
different sightings of different types

2316
01:33:23,580 --> 01:33:20,409
of craft in the sky army of descriptions

2317
01:33:25,770 --> 01:33:23,590
of cigar-shaped craft you know powerful

2318
01:33:27,839 --> 01:33:25,780
searchlight beams yeah in some areas you

2319
01:33:29,639 --> 01:33:27,849
even have um concurrent flaps of wild

2320
01:33:33,299 --> 01:33:29,649
man encounters and black panthers which

2321
01:33:35,370 --> 01:33:33,309
we also see with UFO flaps and so it has

2322
01:33:36,959 --> 01:33:35,380
all the hallmarks of modern flap but the

2323
01:33:39,060 --> 01:33:36,969
predominant belief at the time was

2324
01:33:41,129 --> 01:33:39,070
simply that some inventor somewhere had

2325
01:33:44,489 --> 01:33:41,139
come up with the amazing flying machine

2326
01:33:46,229 --> 01:33:44,499
and you know that's the reports that you

2327
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:46,239
get that our people phrasing it as we

2328
01:33:50,069 --> 01:33:48,729
saw this amazing machine and you know

2329
01:33:51,389 --> 01:33:50,079
and I do think you do have to be careful

2330
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:51,399
with that time here because there was

2331
01:33:54,299 --> 01:33:52,570
you know a lot of yellow journalism

2332
01:33:56,489 --> 01:33:54,309
there's a lot of exaggeration but there

2333
01:33:57,310 --> 01:33:56,499
is a core of genuine reports that I am

2334
01:33:59,330 --> 01:33:57,320
very interest

2335
01:34:00,770 --> 01:33:59,340
and you know even people who claim to

2336
01:34:04,699 --> 01:34:00,780
have met the occupants of these craft

2337
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:04,709
the phenomenon you know if you do come

2338
01:34:08,779 --> 01:34:06,329
at this from the idea that perhaps does

2339
01:34:10,100 --> 01:34:08,789
have the ability to be reflective the

2340
01:34:11,779 --> 01:34:10,110
phenomenon almost seems to God of its

2341
01:34:13,370 --> 01:34:11,789
way than to prove whatever the

2342
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:13,380
predominant theory of the time is and

2343
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:15,360
with the airship flap you everything is

2344
01:34:19,850 --> 01:34:17,280
phrased as we met the occupants it was

2345
01:34:21,589 --> 01:34:19,860
the inventor or it was a crew you know

2346
01:34:23,810 --> 01:34:21,599
and so I find that incredibly

2347
01:34:24,259 --> 01:34:23,820
interesting because of course the that

2348
01:34:27,949 --> 01:34:24,269
era

2349
01:34:30,290 --> 01:34:27,959
know that was when technological

2350
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:30,300
achievements that was like you know the

2351
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:32,489
pinnacle of existence was ingenuity in

2352
01:34:36,199 --> 01:34:34,289
technical matters and so you do have

2353
01:34:37,939 --> 01:34:36,209
these very fanciful you know we would

2354
01:34:40,100 --> 01:34:37,949
call them steampunk machines being

2355
01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:40,110
spotted and of course that transitions

2356
01:34:43,669 --> 01:34:41,369
then into occurring extra-terrestrial

2357
01:34:46,069 --> 01:34:43,679
hypothesis which is you know with the

2358
01:34:49,219 --> 01:34:46,079
flying saucers of mid-century America

2359
01:34:50,750 --> 01:34:49,229
and even currently now you know people's

2360
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:50,760
claiming they see craft and things like

2361
01:34:55,489 --> 01:34:52,860
that and prior to all this it really was

2362
01:34:58,609 --> 01:34:55,499
it was phrased in a folkloric fairy lore

2363
01:35:00,259 --> 01:34:58,619
or religious connotation on which the

2364
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:00,269
phenomena then to seem to go out of its

2365
01:35:07,189 --> 01:35:03,209
way to promote that so that's my

2366
01:35:09,290 --> 01:35:07,199
interest really in the 1896 97 flat yeah

2367
01:35:12,020 --> 01:35:09,300
I think it's first of all I just want to

2368
01:35:15,250 --> 01:35:12,030
say I'm trying to take calls they're not

2369
01:35:17,239 --> 01:35:15,260
connecting and I apologize I'm not sure

2370
01:35:20,509 --> 01:35:17,249
what would this show be without

2371
01:35:25,219 --> 01:35:20,519
technical difficulties not happening so

2372
01:35:28,570 --> 01:35:25,229
I I'm gonna try right now again and see

2373
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:34,460
not seeing anyone let me just see if

2374
01:35:38,930 --> 01:35:37,170
this any way I can catch passes collar

2375
01:35:41,050 --> 01:35:38,940
because we've had at least three

2376
01:35:47,540 --> 01:35:41,060
different people trying to ring in here

2377
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:47,550
and nope I'm just gonna have to say I'm

2378
01:35:52,580 --> 01:35:49,920
sorry the phones are not working and I

2379
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:52,590
apologize hopefully next week we will

2380
01:35:58,280 --> 01:35:54,930
get them back at the radio station in

2381
01:36:00,080 --> 01:35:58,290
the screener and all that and so I'm

2382
01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:00,090
going to say no calls and I apologize

2383
01:36:07,790 --> 01:36:05,550
for that anyway so we have I'm gonna try

2384
01:36:14,040 --> 01:36:07,800
one more time we'll try this one more

2385
01:36:22,979 --> 01:36:18,990
sure why it won't try it's another one

2386
01:36:26,459 --> 01:36:22,989
to try again caller can you hear me well

2387
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,469
I like the person that wrote me they

2388
01:36:31,649 --> 01:36:28,000
like that I have technical difficulties

2389
01:36:33,930 --> 01:36:31,659
because they know it's a real show so

2390
01:36:35,490 --> 01:36:33,940
all right we're gonna take down the some

2391
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:35,500
reason I have two or three people trying

2392
01:36:41,780 --> 01:36:37,449
to ring in and it's just not it's not

2393
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:41,790
working so I do apologize for that and

2394
01:36:53,160 --> 01:36:49,920
and this is the last time you're trying

2395
01:36:57,120 --> 01:36:53,170
okay so we've got about 15 more minutes

2396
01:37:02,129 --> 01:36:57,130
and and let's talk a little bit more

2397
01:37:04,530 --> 01:37:02,139
about I guess what you feel is Oh what

2398
01:37:08,010 --> 01:37:04,540
you like about Wisconsin you you said

2399
01:37:09,899 --> 01:37:08,020
early on there was some I don't know

2400
01:37:12,030 --> 01:37:09,909
what you called it but some type of area

2401
01:37:17,280 --> 01:37:12,040
where something was a lot of things

2402
01:37:20,010 --> 01:37:17,290
happened Oh like a window area or like a

2403
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:20,020
flap there were flaps happening now

2404
01:37:22,620 --> 01:37:21,489
everybody keeps trying to call in it's

2405
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:22,630
just not gonna work

2406
01:37:29,339 --> 01:37:25,360
so our eight collars I'm sorry it's not

2407
01:37:30,959 --> 01:37:29,349
gonna work tonight I'm not sure why I

2408
01:37:33,299 --> 01:37:30,969
forget what you called it was like a

2409
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:33,309
woman's name or some type of area in

2410
01:37:42,669 --> 01:37:35,290
Wisconsin where some things were

2411
01:37:48,399 --> 01:37:46,000
well that's alright thank you so let's

2412
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:48,409
talk more about though are there any

2413
01:37:53,290 --> 01:37:51,710
other UFO sightings that you

2414
01:37:55,180 --> 01:37:53,300
investigated that you found were

2415
01:37:59,040 --> 01:37:55,190
interesting that came in while you were

2416
01:38:02,470 --> 01:37:59,050
you had your short stint there at MUFON

2417
01:38:04,750 --> 01:38:02,480
boy there were I mean I think that for

2418
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:04,760
me you know a huge focus is put on kind

2419
01:38:08,709 --> 01:38:07,370
of the more like technological looking

2420
01:38:11,530 --> 01:38:08,719
sighting so craft and things like that

2421
01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:11,540
um the ones that I really liked we're

2422
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:13,280
definitely the soft sightings of

2423
01:38:18,220 --> 01:38:15,890
luminous objects and so I know that

2424
01:38:20,080 --> 01:38:18,230
there were plenty of sightings with orbs

2425
01:38:23,500 --> 01:38:20,090
that I research that were really

2426
01:38:26,020 --> 01:38:23,510
interesting um I think probably though

2427
01:38:28,149 --> 01:38:26,030
if I had to choose like a most memorable

2428
01:38:31,570 --> 01:38:28,159
case and this had a lot to do with the

2429
01:38:33,700 --> 01:38:31,580
witness I had a witness who called in

2430
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,710
your called and wrote in the report and

2431
01:38:37,570 --> 01:38:35,840
I called and talked to him and you know

2432
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:37,580
he listed himself as anonymous because

2433
01:38:45,100 --> 01:38:40,730
he owned a business and his sighting was

2434
01:38:48,430 --> 01:38:45,110
of this silver object which you know he

2435
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:48,440
saw over a field and you know the

2436
01:38:51,610 --> 01:38:49,850
sighting of itself really wasn't

2437
01:38:52,780 --> 01:38:51,620
anything completely earth-shattering and

2438
01:38:54,280 --> 01:38:52,790
that that was another thing that hit me

2439
01:38:55,780 --> 01:38:54,290
researching MUFON is a lot of these

2440
01:38:57,729 --> 01:38:55,790
sightings it's like it's something that

2441
01:38:59,169 --> 01:38:57,739
happened you know any investigation was

2442
01:39:01,240 --> 01:38:59,179
just a chronicle what happened you know

2443
01:39:02,649 --> 01:39:01,250
to try and go out and like it's trying

2444
01:39:05,500 --> 01:39:02,659
to find the lightning strikes twice with

2445
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:05,510
many of these cases um but the response

2446
01:39:11,169 --> 01:39:08,570
that he gave me just was very it did it

2447
01:39:13,180 --> 01:39:11,179
really renewed kind of my you know the

2448
01:39:15,189 --> 01:39:13,190
fantastic nature of this field because

2449
01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,199
he just he really has said that you know

2450
01:39:19,570 --> 01:39:17,840
he didn't know what it was and you know

2451
01:39:21,520 --> 01:39:19,580
he went through his whole thing and I

2452
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:21,530
took all my notes and at the end of it I

2453
01:39:26,590 --> 01:39:22,730
was like well if you have any questions

2454
01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:26,600
and he just said well you know what is

2455
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:30,920
it and I was like well you know there's

2456
01:39:34,570 --> 01:39:32,449
a lot of theories but I really don't

2457
01:39:36,669 --> 01:39:34,580
know and it was that particular sighting

2458
01:39:38,979 --> 01:39:36,679
really was that particular witness that

2459
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:38,989
really just kind of reaffirmed exactly

2460
01:39:42,970 --> 01:39:41,090
why I am intrigued by this because there

2461
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:42,980
are things no anomalous that really do

2462
01:39:48,189 --> 01:39:45,370
change a person's perception of life and

2463
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:48,199
people normal people who typically have

2464
01:39:52,709 --> 01:39:50,570
a lot of times have no interest in this

2465
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:52,719
field prior or even a passing interest

2466
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:55,170
you know experience them and then

2467
01:39:58,729 --> 01:39:56,880
I have to come to grips with something

2468
01:40:01,580 --> 01:39:58,739
that is completely outside of the

2469
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:01,590
accepted reality so that's the one that

2470
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:04,410
really stands out for me yeah yeah no

2471
01:40:07,959 --> 01:40:06,210
I'm sure it must be really interesting

2472
01:40:11,930 --> 01:40:07,969
to actually you know speak to someone

2473
01:40:14,270 --> 01:40:11,940
personally were you know was it just

2474
01:40:17,660 --> 01:40:14,280
phone calls or did you actually ever

2475
01:40:19,459 --> 01:40:17,670
meet with anybody for the cases which I

2476
01:40:21,890 --> 01:40:19,469
did it was all just phone calls

2477
01:40:24,260 --> 01:40:21,900
um so you typically like it to do

2478
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:24,270
something like you know a close

2479
01:40:27,620 --> 01:40:25,440
encounter or something like that you

2480
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:27,630
will have to meet with the witness and

2481
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:30,000
talk to them in person preferably of

2482
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:31,560
course tape anything like that would

2483
01:40:36,070 --> 01:40:34,170
work as well but unfortunately I never

2484
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:36,080
had a case of that magnitude I know to

2485
01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:41,449
investigate always wanted one yeah yeah

2486
01:40:46,220 --> 01:40:42,840
okay

2487
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:46,230
caller so cake and stop now people keep

2488
01:40:57,590 --> 01:40:52,560
trying to call in and so anyway let's

2489
01:41:00,830 --> 01:40:57,600
see so what about let's just go one more

2490
01:41:03,050 --> 01:41:00,840
time about any UFO interesting UFO

2491
01:41:05,870 --> 01:41:03,060
encounters that you are aware of that

2492
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:05,880
are you know kind of unknown when you've

2493
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:09,210
looked at this topic and in in Wisconsin

2494
01:41:14,780 --> 01:41:12,090
or is that is that about if of all you

2495
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:14,790
can think of because we can always talk

2496
01:41:19,100 --> 01:41:16,770
I know that you looked into the Kelly

2497
01:41:22,250 --> 01:41:19,110
Hopkinsville as well which is definitely

2498
01:41:24,380 --> 01:41:22,260
not in Wisconsin but are there anymore

2499
01:41:26,689 --> 01:41:24,390
you want to talk about or is that would

2500
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:26,699
you like to talk more about these for

2501
01:41:31,820 --> 01:41:28,050
the new listener that's never heard of

2502
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:31,830
the Kelly Kelly Hopkinsville one that's

2503
01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:34,800
a that's a really interesting one yeah

2504
01:41:37,850 --> 01:41:36,330
Wisconsin see it's one of those things

2505
01:41:42,979 --> 01:41:37,860
where we do it we have a lot of

2506
01:41:45,919 --> 01:41:42,989
different UFO cases and there are some I

2507
01:41:47,959 --> 01:41:45,929
mean my issue is that I tend to like

2508
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,969
really kind of have a sprawling interest

2509
01:41:51,470 --> 01:41:49,920
in this stuff and so you know even

2510
01:41:53,240 --> 01:41:51,480
though I really I started with you know

2511
01:41:55,490 --> 01:41:53,250
we're gonna wear this about Wisconsin I

2512
01:41:57,709 --> 01:41:55,500
have definitely kind of focused in on

2513
01:42:01,160 --> 01:41:57,719
you know particularly interesting cases

2514
01:42:03,260 --> 01:42:01,170
from all over so I guess we go to Kelly

2515
01:42:04,790 --> 01:42:03,270
Hopkins but looking like sure yeah yeah

2516
01:42:06,890 --> 01:42:04,800
now there's a lot of people have heard

2517
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:06,900
this case a number of times but it's

2518
01:42:09,680 --> 01:42:07,920
still for the new

2519
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:09,690
person just looking into this this is

2520
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:13,770
pretty fascinating I can't remember the

2521
01:42:18,370 --> 01:42:15,570
year but you if you looked into it you

2522
01:42:22,010 --> 01:42:18,380
know about that what year was this ah

2523
01:42:24,260 --> 01:42:22,020
1955 it was in August and the intriguing

2524
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:24,270
thing is I feel like you know most of

2525
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:25,650
the emphasis in the Kelly Hopkinsville

2526
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:27,570
encounters put on the entities observed

2527
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:29,370
which believe me are incredibly

2528
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:30,810
interesting that whole thing deserves

2529
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:33,210
you know a lot the interest that's put

2530
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,850
on it but the sighting actually started

2531
01:42:40,610 --> 01:42:37,920
when a man saw what he described as a

2532
01:42:43,340 --> 01:42:40,620
silver flying saucer shooting rainbow

2533
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:43,350
colored flames in that dropped in a

2534
01:42:47,419 --> 01:42:45,870
nearby gully and he was actually his

2535
01:42:50,419 --> 01:42:47,429
name was Billy Ray Taylor and he was

2536
01:42:54,020 --> 01:42:50,429
staying with the Sutton family and so he

2537
01:42:56,240 --> 01:42:54,030
saw this UFO and then you know went back

2538
01:42:58,250 --> 01:42:56,250
to the house and later that night about

2539
01:43:00,590 --> 01:42:58,260
eight o'clock the family dog was

2540
01:43:02,060 --> 01:43:00,600
actually the first um part of the member

2541
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:02,070
of the family to notice that anything

2542
01:43:06,020 --> 01:43:03,449
was the matter it started going totally

2543
01:43:09,050 --> 01:43:06,030
crazy and so the oldest son mom named

2544
01:43:11,419 --> 01:43:09,060
lucky actually ran outside to look and

2545
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:11,429
he saw this glowing orb moving towards

2546
01:43:15,650 --> 01:43:13,170
the house and then he realized that it

2547
01:43:17,870 --> 01:43:15,660
really wasn't in orbit was this shining

2548
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:17,880
being that was floating towards the

2549
01:43:21,890 --> 01:43:19,890
house and the interesting thing with the

2550
01:43:23,180 --> 01:43:21,900
Kelly Hopkinsville encounter is that you

2551
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:23,190
do you have these they're pretty much

2552
01:43:27,709 --> 01:43:25,440
the poster child of like children of

2553
01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:27,719
alien encounters or alien entities so if

2554
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:31,080
these big-headed big eyed things with

2555
01:43:37,220 --> 01:43:33,690
spindly bodies floating towards the

2556
01:43:38,630 --> 01:43:37,230
house and it was just pandemonium from

2557
01:43:39,890 --> 01:43:38,640
that point on you know the family

2558
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:39,900
actually barricaded themselves in the

2559
01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:42,090
home and they started shooting at these

2560
01:43:46,189 --> 01:43:43,650
entities as they were hovering closer

2561
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:46,199
and close to the house and the

2562
01:43:49,939 --> 01:43:47,610
interesting thing is that and this

2563
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:49,949
occurs very often in different

2564
01:43:53,270 --> 01:43:52,080
paranormal encounters even though they

2565
01:43:55,610 --> 01:43:53,280
were shooting point-blank at these

2566
01:43:57,410 --> 01:43:55,620
entities there was absolutely no effect

2567
01:43:59,000 --> 01:43:57,420
on them on the most that these things

2568
01:44:00,979 --> 01:43:59,010
responded to by being shot from a blank

2569
01:44:02,330 --> 01:44:00,989
was actually roll over and drift to the

2570
01:44:05,870 --> 01:44:02,340
ground and then crawl back into the

2571
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:05,880
underbrush and this happened for hours

2572
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:07,530
as family was completely under siege by

2573
01:44:13,370 --> 01:44:10,380
these glowing entities which kept coming

2574
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:13,380
towards the house in waves and the

2575
01:44:18,110 --> 01:44:16,010
really interesting thing to me is that

2576
01:44:19,430 --> 01:44:18,120
the method of attack for this you know

2577
01:44:21,589 --> 01:44:19,440
even though there was there was a flying

2578
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:21,599
very cliche flying saucer sighting

2579
01:44:24,979 --> 01:44:23,610
directly prior to this event and you do

2580
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:24,989
you have these very alien looking

2581
01:44:30,530 --> 01:44:27,420
entities coming at the house the method

2582
01:44:31,970 --> 01:44:30,540
in which they approach the house always

2583
01:44:34,609 --> 01:44:31,980
kind of my to be far more of like

2584
01:44:36,200 --> 01:44:34,619
monsters or cryptids um there's an

2585
01:44:38,060 --> 01:44:36,210
account at a sasquatch encounter that

2586
01:44:40,069 --> 01:44:38,070
John keel details in one of his books

2587
01:44:42,500 --> 01:44:40,079
where apparently there's one farm house

2588
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:42,510
that just waves of sasquatches kept on

2589
01:44:47,899 --> 01:44:45,810
rushing towards the house and you know

2590
01:44:49,550 --> 01:44:47,909
you kind of have the exact same thing

2591
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:49,560
and Kelly happens to encounter only it's

2592
01:44:54,050 --> 01:44:51,570
framed as an extraterrestrial occurrence

2593
01:44:56,350 --> 01:44:54,060
so the family actually at one point

2594
01:44:57,979 --> 01:44:56,360
decided to go get the police police came

2595
01:44:59,689 --> 01:44:57,989
didn't find anything

2596
01:45:02,330 --> 01:44:59,699
as soon as the police left guess what

2597
01:45:05,300 --> 01:45:02,340
came back the entities so it is it's a

2598
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:05,310
very intriguing encounter um was hurt

2599
01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:08,010
are you worth sir a police report filed

2600
01:45:14,060 --> 01:45:11,010
and what about all the the gunshots and

2601
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:14,070
and all that I mean that that must have

2602
01:45:19,310 --> 01:45:16,800
looked pretty mysterious to any officer

2603
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:19,320
oh yeah the police didn't believe that

2604
01:45:23,149 --> 01:45:21,570
you know they took the family seriously

2605
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:23,159
and it's kind of unfortunate because

2606
01:45:27,439 --> 01:45:24,570
then once it hit the media it was really

2607
01:45:29,540 --> 01:45:27,449
painted as kind of like you know and you

2608
01:45:31,069 --> 01:45:29,550
have you know UFO encountered by

2609
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:31,079
hillbillies and things like that and

2610
01:45:34,580 --> 01:45:33,210
that's a really sad things to see that

2611
01:45:36,410 --> 01:45:34,590
happen and that happens quite a bit I

2612
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:36,420
would say on with some of these UFO

2613
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:38,880
encounters and cryptid encounters but

2614
01:45:41,899 --> 01:45:40,290
the police at the time did take it very

2615
01:45:43,220 --> 01:45:41,909
seriously there was no evidence that

2616
01:45:46,129 --> 01:45:43,230
anyone had been drinking or anything

2617
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:46,139
like that my favorite thing about this

2618
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:47,760
case though is probably the fact that

2619
01:45:52,609 --> 01:45:49,530
after the fact because there was an Air

2620
01:45:54,919 --> 01:45:52,619
Force investigation the conclusion that

2621
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:54,929
the Air Force came to was that there had

2622
01:46:00,649 --> 01:45:58,320
been a traveling circus and there must

2623
01:46:02,839 --> 01:46:00,659
have been a troupe of silver painted

2624
01:46:05,689 --> 01:46:02,849
monkeys which escaped from the circus

2625
01:46:07,310 --> 01:46:05,699
and that's what these people saw and as

2626
01:46:08,959 --> 01:46:07,320
as to how these things could be

2627
01:46:12,589 --> 01:46:08,969
bulletproof and float towards the

2628
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:12,599
establishment I have no idea but yeah so

2629
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:15,900
that's kind of just a very interesting

2630
01:46:22,459 --> 01:46:18,960
tank yeah and what it has did anyone

2631
01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:22,469
like come and investigate that situation

2632
01:46:27,169 --> 01:46:24,329
that's that's a part I've never heard of

2633
01:46:29,149 --> 01:46:27,179
you know I know the story get out you

2634
01:46:30,740 --> 01:46:29,159
know but I mean did anyone really that

2635
01:46:32,479 --> 01:46:30,750
took this seriously besides to the

2636
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:32,489
police at the time

2637
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:35,730
I don't know in 1955 who would be doing

2638
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:38,330
that but was there someone that took

2639
01:46:45,979 --> 01:46:41,450
first-hand accounts of that do you know

2640
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:45,989
I'm actually not sure that um that's a

2641
01:46:50,180 --> 01:46:48,690
good question but I know yeah they're

2642
01:46:51,860 --> 01:46:50,190
the place in the airforce were the only

2643
01:46:56,170 --> 01:46:51,870
ones that I know of that were involved

2644
01:47:01,190 --> 01:46:56,180
I'm off the top of my head yeah okay

2645
01:47:02,930 --> 01:47:01,200
well very good so thank you so much I

2646
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:02,940
really appreciate it how to had a good

2647
01:47:06,290 --> 01:47:03,960
night

2648
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,300
with you I really appreciate your

2649
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:08,880
efforts and hopefully we'll see a book

2650
01:47:15,650 --> 01:47:11,850
from you someday and see you out there

2651
01:47:18,290 --> 01:47:15,660
so thank you very much and again have a

2652
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:18,300
good night and so that's going to be it

2653
01:47:24,410 --> 01:47:21,930
for our show of this evening so you take

2654
01:47:27,740 --> 01:47:24,420
care yeah you too and thanks again

2655
01:47:30,440 --> 01:47:27,750
all right all right everyone so next

2656
01:47:33,620 --> 01:47:30,450
week we have Kurt Collins is going to be

2657
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:33,630
on and we're gonna be talking about has

2658
01:47:40,970 --> 01:47:39,450
written a number of blogs that and that

2659
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:40,980
is getting quite a bit of attention out

2660
01:47:45,500 --> 01:47:42,930
there in the UFO world so we'll be

2661
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:45,510
speaking with him next week remember

2662
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:49,890
that you can go over to podcast UFO calm

2663
01:47:56,770 --> 01:47:53,520
and over there you will see our blog

2664
01:47:59,390 --> 01:47:56,780
that Charles wrote on the Socorro

2665
01:48:00,050 --> 01:47:59,400
investigation make sure that you check

2666
01:48:02,780 --> 01:48:00,060
that out

2667
01:48:04,610 --> 01:48:02,790
I do appreciate everyone that helps out

2668
01:48:06,650 --> 01:48:04,620
with the show and anyone that's looking

2669
01:48:09,290 --> 01:48:06,660
to do that you can find all that

2670
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:09,300
information or again over at podcast UFO

2671
01:48:17,330 --> 01:48:11,850
don't forget to check out our Facebook

2672
01:48:24,140 --> 01:48:21,979
I'm sorry facebook.com slash podcast UFO

2673
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:24,150
and we're also on Twitter but I have no

2674
01:48:28,970 --> 01:48:26,250
idea what that is I think it's a I think

2675
01:48:30,890 --> 01:48:28,980
it's a all connected to Facebook but I

2676
01:48:31,940 --> 01:48:30,900
think it's up just playing podcast UFO

2677
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,950
over on Twitter

2678
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:33,840
I never I'll be honest because I never

2679
01:48:38,240 --> 01:48:36,080
look at Twitter so I really don't know

2680
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:38,250
it's always fun to I don't know if

2681
01:48:45,740 --> 01:48:40,650
anyone has listened to the shows when

2682
01:48:46,310 --> 01:48:45,750
Kurt Collins is on years ago we did a

2683
01:48:50,660 --> 01:48:46,320
show

2684
01:48:54,770 --> 01:48:50,670
with about the cash Landrum case and we

2685
01:48:57,650 --> 01:48:54,780
had trying to remember Landrum on it

2686
01:49:02,210 --> 01:48:57,660
can't just can't remember his first name

2687
01:49:04,100 --> 01:49:02,220
so Curt and Chris Lambright both did

2688
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:04,110
that we did that show all three of us

2689
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:06,810
together and that's a fascinating show

2690
01:49:11,660 --> 01:49:08,970
that's in our archives and speaking of

2691
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:11,670
that if you supported the show you can

2692
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:14,400
still gain access to the archived shows

2693
01:49:18,620 --> 01:49:16,530
at podcast UFO com

2694
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:18,630
I just need to know which ones that

2695
01:49:24,190 --> 01:49:21,930
you're looking for and we can set that

2696
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:24,200
up where you can I'll send you the file

2697
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:29,610
for that so anyone can again anyone can

2698
01:49:34,390 --> 01:49:31,530
support the show and with that you get

2699
01:49:36,830 --> 01:49:34,400
an access to our to our shows and

2700
01:49:41,090 --> 01:49:36,840
believe me there's a lot of them I think

2701
01:49:44,630 --> 01:49:41,100
there's over 200 of them and they are on

2702
01:49:46,190 --> 01:49:44,640
our website you can see supporters if

2703
01:49:48,380 --> 01:49:46,200
you click on that on the menu bar

2704
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:48,390
that'll go to that page there and

2705
01:49:53,300 --> 01:49:50,490
there's a list of them and who the

2706
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:53,310
guests were and we seem to be getting a

2707
01:49:57,830 --> 01:49:54,960
lot of requests for those from

2708
01:50:01,730 --> 01:49:57,840
supporters and you are welcome to

2709
01:50:03,440 --> 01:50:01,740
request those all right so that's it for

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01:50:07,130 --> 01:50:03,450
me this evening again I want to thank

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01:50:07,850 --> 01:50:07,140
everyone for listening and we'll see you

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01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:07,860
next week

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01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:12,210
keep safe and keep healthy and keep your

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eyes to the sky